-1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it. On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 21:11, Henri Yandell wrote: > > +1. > > Another example if I could. The job role of 'Java admin' is growing more > and more at companies. Developers shouldn't be adminning things, but would > you have your unix or oracle admin be the admin of the Java side with zero > Java knowledge? > > Jakarta houses the 'Java' community at Apache but there's no way for a > Java admin to be a part of that community. Helping other admins, writing > documentation, being a consumer at the coders. The only way it can happen > is if they become a coder, and that's contrary to the concept of a Java > admin. > > I think Pier's suggestion will help to grow the 'ownership' of the > projects and the apache way of thinking to a larger audience. > > Some possible negatives: > > With more non-codery people around, will the 'noise' level in mail lists > be too high for coders to want to pay attention? > [It already is getting that way I find. I delete entire threads if the > first couple of mails are not of interest to me. It has to be retitled as > with this email to make me realise there was more going on than the > original mails. ] > > By growing a large community of non-coders, the coders could have less say > in the product. Is this good/bad? How would the +1/-1 system work. Would > votes be open to committers only in some instances, and to non-committing > members only in others. Who votes membership vs committership vs > contributorship? > > > None of them that hard to answer I imagine. > > Hen > > On Sat, 25 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > > Chatted with a lot of people, seen many, different development models, went > > around, asked, talked, and I believe I have a pretty decent picture, and > > maybe even a solution... > > > > So, given this little background, I would like to ask to the PMC, and all > > other committers, if others agree that we should "splitting" the "committer" > > figure in two parts: > > > > - contributor: a contributor is someone who has access to a particular CVS > > tree, but for any reason doesn't want/need to be involved with the whole > > Jakarta community. He just wants to code his little bit and live a long > > life. > > > > - member: is someone who is involved with the Jakarta community, somehow, > > somewhere (might be just giving a great deal in supporting users of our > > projects, or providing extra value to projects, like guidance in respect to > > overall specifications, binary builds). He is effectively a member of the > > community and has all the rights and dues of every member, such as > > participate in the election of the PMC. > > > > And redefining the figure of the "committer" as follows: > > > > - committer: is a contributor, but also a member, therefore he has all the > > privileges and dues of a contributor (having CVS access, and overlooking the > > code he's contributing to) and of a member (can vote for PMCs, should > > participate and contribute to discussions on the overall structure of > > Jakarta). > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh
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