To free India, MANY other people, the real heros of India, not Gandi, fought and lost their lives. Gandi is just the one that the British want us the remember. Because Gandi refused to fight, India now has its greatest enemy right on its border (Pakistan). Had Gandi not been there, India would have been a much better country for it.
The mission for Apache is to produce the best product you can. That is fine for OpenSource however, most companies need to define who they compete against and how they will win. As long as you are willing to fight Microsoft if that is what your company is in competition with, I don't have a problem. I do if you are going to reposition your company so you don't compete with them. That is what Marc is doing. I think we have killed this one. Shantul. Doug Bateman wrote: >I think by his quote, Marc ment that going head to head with Microsoft is >an experience everyone should have once. > >Is the war to beat Microsoft or is it to bring a great idea / product / >service to the world, and make money while you're at it? With Netscape, >Andreessen did just that... he made a killing selling off Netscape stock >at sky high prices. Now he's aiming to do it all over again in his latest >venture (this time with Microsoft as a partner). > >Sorry, I just don't measure success in terms of defeating Microsoft. And >I'd wager Gandi's goal wasn't to defeat Britian, but to free India. >Hopefully, Apache feels the same way. Last I checked, beating Microsoft >was never mentioned in the Apache mission statement. > >Doug > >On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Shantul Nigam wrote: > > > >>I would not make competing against Microsoft the reason for my being but >>neither would I stay away from competing with them or anyone else for >>that matter. It is simply a matter of perspective. Opportunity happens, >>if you allow fear, in any form, to stop you from seizing it, you lose. >>That is what Marc has done in this quote. >> >>It is not being aggressive. It is simply not blinking when another >>battle starts. History is full of people that took on a titan and won. >>Microsoft took on IBM and Apple. Canon took on Xerox. MCI took on AT&T. >>David took on Goliath, Britian took on Spain. the Colonies (America) >>took on Britian. Rome took on Greece. India took on Britian. History is >>full of similar examples. >> >>Everyone has a weakness. It is simply a matter of finding it. If you >>learned from your mistakes, you should be a better competitor next time. >> >>Believe it or not, that is why Microsoft keeps winning. IIS is horrible >>but they keep coming after Apache. Windows is unstable but they keep >>working on it. Over and over until they win. Too many people have Marc's >>attitude. It makes Microsoft's position even stronger. >> >>Success requires people to stepping up when the chance of victory is >>almost zero. Marc was one of these people. It distresses me to think >>that losing one battle has made him lose the war. >> >>Shantul. >> >>Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Shantul, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>It is ok to not succeed. It is failure to give up. Saying you should >>>>compete only once is failure. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>How aggressive. IMHO, it is not necessarily failure to want to compete >>>against someone only once. Sometimes one may want to move along, and do >>>something else (i.e. compete against someone else, for you US residents ;P >>> >>>Making the fight against Microsoft the reason d'etre of your life seems a >>>little sad. On the other hand, saying "now I exchange baseball cards with >>>Bill Gates, so I cannot comment" is also a bit sad. >>> >>>Un saludo, >>> >>>Alex Fern�ndez >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Mensaje original----- >>>>De: Shantul Nigam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>Enviado el: lunes 17 de junio de 2002 15:02 >>>>Para: Jakarta General List >>>>Asunto: Re: Interesting quote.... >>>> >>>> >>>>I was responding to the quote. Netscape is finally back on >>>>track and the >>>>shift to browsers is a success, however, his attitute that you should >>>>compete against Microsoft only "once" is what makes him a >>>>failure. Most >>>>of us live by the adage "...Try, try again....". Nothing >>>>cannot be beat. >>>>Not even Microsoft. >>>> >>>>Netscape had a chance but blew it. Apple had a chance and >>>>blew it. Java >>>>right now has a chance and may actually succeed. Linux has a >>>>chance. The >>>>difference? People behind these technologies fought Microsoft >>>>and lost >>>>once, now they are back. SUN, IBM, Oracle, AOL, Ximian, KDE, >>>>GNOME, GNU. >>>>The attitude is different. That is what I mean. >>>> >>>>It is ok to not succeed. It is failure to give up. Saying you should >>>>compete only once is failure. >>>> >>>> >>>>Conor MacNeill wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Shantul Nigam wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I guess, for Marc, Failure IS an option.... For most of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>us, it is not. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Huh? How is Andreessen a failure? >>>>> >>>>>"The good news is, it's everywhere now. The concept is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>everywhere, the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>implementations are everywhere, everybody uses it, everybody >>>>>understands the metaphor and the shift in the architecture of >>>>>computing around the browser is very serious." >>>>> >>>>>Perhaps he doesn't measure success in terms of market share :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> >>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
