Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote:

>Hi Andrew,
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>That is condescending and paternal. I like it! ;)
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;-) I stole his tone from him.

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>>-Andy
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>>JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-)
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>Your comment is right on target. You seem to be in the right object-oriented
>state of mind. When your skills progress, after you have helped create a
>couple of webapp frameworks, and bashed JSPs to death on every occasion: you
>will end up using PHP despite it being "fugly" because
>    [...] you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time
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Initial development costs are < 1/3 of the overall cost of a project. 
 Once you've been stuck maintaining a few of those
nasty beasts you create in PHP you'll move on to want something else and 
be very appologetic to everyone you
pumped that crud out for.  I've full confidence that one day a smart guy 
like you will abandon the "right is wrong" principal.
:-) ;-)

-Andy

>Sheesh!
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>Alex.
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>>>James Mitchell
>>>Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
>>>Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
>>>http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
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>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM
>>>>To: Jakarta General List
>>>>Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
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>>>>But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that 
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>>other than POI
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>>>>and HTTPD there was only actually
>>>>one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented
>>>>different ways and that JSP had the
>>>>structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of 
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>>that...how
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>>>>mean of you all not to respond :-(
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>>>>;-)
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>>>>-Andy
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>>>>Leo Simons wrote:
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>>>>>>>Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
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>>>>>>>Mvgr,
>>>>>>>Martin
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>>>>>>Anakia
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>>>>>>I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files 
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>>which are then
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>>>>>>processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even
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>>>>using Anakia
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>>>>>>and just using PHP.
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>>>>>>PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design
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>>>>ever, but you can
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>>>>>>get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there
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>>>>is no way in
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>>>>>>hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.
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>>>>>yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
>>>>>better than velocity!!!
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>>>>>- Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw 
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>>all those
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>>>>>jon...
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