I'm aware of that... what does that have to do with the message I forwarded or the proposed reorganization which makes all jakarta projects top level projects and phases jakarta out (basically)...
-Andy On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 10:31, V. Cekvenich wrote: > http://www.netcraft.com/survey/ > This says Apache is bigger than MS + all others. > .V > > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > Those who have not been aware should be aware. > > > > -Andy > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Re: Concern about the future of Apache. > > From: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: > > Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:16:55 -0400 (EDT) > > To: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > On 17 Oct 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > > > >>On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 11:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>On 17 Oct 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>I don't object so much as I think the reorg is missing some obvious > >>>>issues: for instance jakarta and XML are very different communities. > >>>>Technology isn't very important. Now maybe some know better than I, > >>>>maybe they are different because they are separate, but to me it looks > >>>>like they are separate because they are different. > >>> > >>>Nobody is suggesting merging Jakarta and XML. We are suggesting unifying > >>>the way the ASF is structured. If it makes sense to have a few top-level > >>>projects with lots of subprojects, then lets do that. If it makes more > >>>sense to have lots of individual projects, then lets do that. When we > >>>need to stop doing, is having some projects that are one code base, and > >>>some with lots of sub-projects. > >>> > >> > >>Why? > > > > > > Because it is very confusing for new people as things are today, and it is > > confusing for people who have been here for a while. We have already seen > > on this list that the differences between how APR/HTTPd members approach > > things and how Jakarta members approach things is huge. That makes > > communication between the teams harder, which makes collaboration harder. > > > > It also makes it harder to add new projects, where do they belong? Inside > > an existing project, or as their own top-level project? Finally, there is > > the issue of oversight. There needs to be some, because that is what is > > legally required of us as a non-profit. The way things are today, there > > is no real oversight. > > > > > >>>We also need to decide how we are going to organize projects. We can > >>>organize by language, by feature, or with an very flat structure where > >>>projects are then categorized (but they can belong to many categories). > >> > >>why don't you just create a web page which does that if its important to > >>you? > >> > >>I don't see that as requiring a reorganization really. > > > > > > You are making an assumption that it isn't valid to make. You are > > assuming that the end results of this list will be a massive > > re-organization. I have said from the beginning that the end results may > > be a statement "All is well in the ASF". However, there enough people > > have stood up and expressed concern that the issues needed to be look > > at. If we decide that a web page is all that is needed to solve the > > problems, then cool. However, that must be a group decision. Currently, > > it looks like the ASF is leaning more torwards moving projects around and > > removing the huge top-level projects. At least that is how I read the > > messages on the list. > > > > Ryan > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Ryan Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 550 Jean St > > Oakland CA 94610 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org>
