While I haven't looked at Faces yet, this seems to be a not uncommmon trend at Sun. Look at the logging API in Java 1.4. Why? log4j is better, pretty much a defacto standard, and freely available under a license that nobody can complain about. It is sad that they felt they had to put logging in just to have another feature bullet point. Faces seems to be another step in the wrong direction, somewhat like JSP. It is odd that in much J2EE literatue, tons of EJB literature, and even Sun's J2EE "Blueprints" books, that they harp on MVC so much, yet they have things like JSP and Faces that don't do a good job ov that. Sure, you can sort of munge JSP to do some separation, but, well, I obviously don't need to say anymore about that here...
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:38 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: velocity lovers... > > > on 2002/12/4 9:20 AM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.miceda-data.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/2002/12/04#Java/velocity > > > > -Andy > > Wow. Java Server Faces really sucks ass. Much more than I could have ever > imagined. No wonder I didn't bother looking at it before. What a > confusing, > over engineered, under thought out way to do things! I'm really surprised > that Sun thinks that anyone is going to use this crap and > actually like it. > > I can hear the UI designers now... > > "What does this mean?" > > <faces:textentry_input id='name'> > �<faces:validator > ������className='javax.faces.validator.LengthValidator'/> > <faces:attributename= > � 'javax.faces.validator.LengthValidator.MINIMUM' > ��������value='3'/> > </faces:textentry_input> > > I think it is really funny that the validation "code" is being > put into the > templates. Let me guess, "you don't have to do that if you don't want to." > > What happened to taking the APPLICATION LOGIC out of the View? If someone > even starts to say to me that JSF is anywhere close to MVC, I think I will > have to violently expel my lunch in their direction. Ha! > > I'm completely amazed and disappointed that Sun is spending so much time, > energy and money towards creating so much crap. > > Bah. > > -jon > > -- > StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment > 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco > http://studioz.tv/ > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
