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From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?


> Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project
> and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a
> few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain
> decisions which will affect the project.
>
> I'm not against all standards...just NDA-based vendor baby kissing.
>

Please don't feed the Trolls.

> -Andy
>
> Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:09:14 -0500
> >>From: Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
> >>
> >>Thanks Pier.  Thats a great perpective.  Lets have some more.
> >>
> >>Anyone have a remarkably positive "Gee the JCP listens to everyone and I
> >>can disclose everything to my fellow committers and its been great for
> >>our community"?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Andy seems to believe that *implementing* a specification (as opposed to
> >creating one) is not a valid itch to be scratched if he doesn't like the
> >mechanism by which the specification is created.  It's perfectly
> >reasonable for Andy to decide that for the projects he gets personally
> >involved in, but it seems awfully arrogant to argue that no one at Apache
> >should involve themselves in such an implementation project on that
basis.
> >
> >As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate in
> >the implementation of API specs like servlet and JSP (see the history of
> >Tomcat development, and the recent innovation going on there for an
> >example), just like there is lots of room to be creative in implementing
> >something like HTTP, which has been done, and continues to be done, in
> >a very large number of implementations in a very large number of
> >languages -- despite the fact that the W3C standards process, like many
> >others, includes periods of time when only the "privileged few" are
> >allowed to be involved.
> >
> >
> >
> >>-Andy
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Craig McClanahan
> >
> >
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