The list of TLP sugestions outlined below is a good starting point. I'll suggest some applicability:
The question is whether some projects are willing to make the step to TLP. These seem like possible candidates: Tomcat, Lucene, Struts, Velocity Some others don't strike me as moving out: BCEL, BSF, ECS, ORO, Regexp, Taglibs In fact, IMHO what is left in Jakarta is Jakarta-Commons plus other utility-like projects that might on a different day have been created in commons. (I still think there are some tricky cases - POI, Log4J, Tapestry.... ) I am hoping that developers in some of the larger jakarta products push for promotion sooner rather than later. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Angus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In the light of a request to the PMC by a Jakarta sub-project to have its > own "top-level" wiki I thought of this... > > Jakarta is attempting to put our house in order wrt oversight, this is > manifesting itself as incresed centralisation of oversight, and reduced > autonomy for sub-projects. > > An issue we've discussed before is promotion to TLP of existing mature > sub-projects. This started off with an assertion that no-one from Ant would > be in favour, and ended up with Ant, Avalon, James and Maven all taking the > plunge. > > One of the most obvious benefits of TLP to promoted sub-projects is their > own top-level infrastructure. Providing access to this from within Jakarta > seems wrong, it breaks the seperation of concerns, would provide ammunition > to the argument that this PMC doesn't have full oversight and blurs the > line between project and sub-project. If a project wants this it should > consider promotion as the route to achieve it. > > I would like to propose (but this is not a proposal, just provoking > discussion) that we draw up some benchmarks for promotion, which could give > some indication that a sub-project is ready to *consider* promotion, and > probably should do so seriously. > > These could be similar to the guidelines for adoption as a sub-project > (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html). > some ideas are noted below (a little tongue-in-cheek in the style of a > lifestyle magazine). > > Such checks need not compel a sub-project to apply for promotion, but I > would certainly like sub-projects to consider it as they grow in size, > maturity or scope, and perhaps an official checklist will remind people and > give them the confidence to raise the subject, and perhaps a target to aim > for. > > 1/ Community dynamic, > a) Is your community self sustaining and largely independant of other parts > of Jakarta? > Not the individuals, the community. Is it, for instance, so heavily > influenced by the direction of some other sub-project that membership of > both is virtually a pre-requisite for understanding. > b) Are many of your commiters also commiters of some other sub-project for > this, or similar, reasons? > > 2/ Project Management, > a) Does your sub-project need or get much direction from the Jakarta PMC > (or is it mostly handled by the comitters with lip service paid to the > PMC)? > > 3/ Community health, > a) Is your community highly dependant on one or two key people, or is > there a real mix of talent working as a team? > b) Is there generally an amicable, if hotly debated, concensus? > > 4/ Infrastructure resources, > a) Does your sub-project have aspirations to own its own top-level > resources (cvs, mailing lists, wiki, web-site)? > > 5/ Product seperation, > a) Is your product tightly bound to other Jakarta sub-projects (excluding > commons) or does it only supply a need or consume deliverables in the usual > way? > b) Does your sub-project contribute a lot of code to another, or receive a > lot of contributions from another Jakarta sub-project? > > 6/ Scope, > a) Has your sub-project outgrown it's original scope? > b) Does your sub-project have a need or desire to maintain it's own > sub-projects, incubate new ideas, or accept incubated projects from the > incubator? > > 7/ > a) Are there any compeling arguments which can be raised to support > remaining within Jakarta? > > Score 1 for each of the following answers: > 1a yes > 1b no > 2a not much > 3a real mix > 3b generally amicable > 4a yes > 5a normal supply/consume relationship > 5b not much direct contribution to or by other sub-projects > 6a yes > 6b yes > 7a not really > > Total 1-3 You probably belong here, consider staying. > Total 4-6 You might need to address some issues before you go. > Total 7-9 Promotion could be your path to further growth and maturity. > Total 10-11 You treat this place like a hotel, its time to think about what > you really want. > > > d. > > > > *************************************************************************** > The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. 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