I like the idea but does this mean we will be dumping the Jakarta banner? Or will it serve as an incubator for TLPs? The Jakarta banner has earned quite a reputation and would be a shame to dump it.

-Harish

Stephen Colebourne wrote:

Not really (my POV)

As people we naturally think in terms of the hierarchy
  ASF to Jakarta to MySubProject.
But the middle layer is artificial. It could just as well be XML or DB or
WebApps or Java or C or 'Projects starting with S' or 'Projects where Joe
Bloggs works'. There simply is no one way of categorizing, hence there
actually is no one community either. (ie. 'the jakarta community' simply
does not exist in my eyes)

The alternative is a one layer structure
   ASF to MyProject
which gives full oversight, management and confidence both to the ASF and
the ASF. Separately, there is a search website that allows searches by all
the different ways that you might want to look things up.

After all, the one layer (TLP) structure didn't harm Ant or James, and
almost certainly benefitted Maven, Avalon and from the looks of it Log4J. In
the end, actions will speak louder than words.

Stephen


----- Original Message ----- From: "Harish Krishnaswamy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That's true, so back to Jakarta = "Server side web development"! But is it

restricted only to Java


web development or just plain web development?

-Harish

Henri Yandell wrote:


Because it's wrong.

XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all
Java Development and not in Jakarta.

If we go with this approach, we end up with the continuation of: "should
digester be in jakarta or xml" etc. Does XML take precedence over the

fact


it's in Java, or does it just depend on which community creates or

invites


the codebase. As they have to go through the Incubator now [or be
fast-tracked with the board's new scheme Greg mentioned], is the

community


inviting them in as important as it used to be.

I'd much rather find a real subtitle for Jakarta that fits well [Cocoon

is


Java web development, but only indirectly I think, ditto for Avalon].

Hen

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:



How about Jakarta = "Java Development"? Then, they all seem in place,

no?


-Harish

Henri Yandell wrote:



On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Costin Manolache wrote:





IMO it would be sad if projects like struts or tapestry leave

jakarta -


since they are closely related to web development and "server side"

java


( compared with log4j or regexp for example ).


So, Jakarta = "Server side web development" is the subtitle.

Log4J, POI, ORO, Regexp, all of Commons except HttpClient, Latka and
FileUpload, Gump, BSF, BCEL are the ones that seem most out of place in
that they don't focus on that subtitle.

Slide would be if a WebDAV TLP were to arrive.

Just as a flamebait suggestion :)

Hen


--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Reply via email to