I am with Erik on "no JARs in CVS". Unless it is a legal issue, I would certainly like to distribute all JARs with the distribution. It saves a lot of hassle and keeps uncessary traffic out of the user-list.

-Harish

Erik Hatcher wrote:

In jakarta-tapestry/lib/ext lives all of the licenses of the embedded 3rd party libraries. In that directory is a LICENSE.ognl.txt which contains the full license. I believe this is all that is needed to satisfy the license to redistribute the binary version. I can assure that you we will never ever have a problem with OGNL (Drew is a good friend of mine, and having the high profile use of OGNL in Tapestry and other projects like WebWork2 is great advertising for him and his genius).

As for the larger issue of "no JARs in CVS" - I disagree. I'm pragmatic and also like to have everything in CVS needed to build a distribution (even Ant itself for my employers projects). It saves a lot of hassle to version all source code and dependencies together. Yes, we could make the Maven repository argument, but I personally prefer the complete offline usability of a CVS snapshot. When Tapestry came to Jakarta, it's dependencies were vetted extensively and several were removed from CVS - so it is still a PITA to build Tapestry from CVS (and according to Howard, his attempts to Mavenize the build have been unsuccessful to date).

Erik


On Dec 24, 2003, at 3:47 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:



As I just happened to notice this on Incubator [AltRMI in fact]:


"Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more  of
the following approved licenses: Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X, MIT/W3C,
MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?"

The below is, to my quick glance, a BSD licence, so approved. I'm with you
on the no jars in CVS, but each to community to their own. Whether
Tapestry is properly fulfilling the licence by listing their use of ognl
in their documentation would be something to check on.


Hen

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Robert Leland wrote:

Can we really store non Apache licensed jars in the CVS ?

My personal preference is to store no jars in CVS

For Example I noticed ognl stored in Tapestry CVS :

/ /--------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
// Copyright (c) 2002, Drew Davidson and Luke Blanshard
// All rights reserved.
//
// Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
// modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are
// met:
//
// Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice,
// this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
// Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
// notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
// documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
// Neither the name of the Drew Davidson nor the names of its
contributors
// may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software
// without specific prior written permission.
//
// THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS
// "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT
// LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS
// FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
// COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT,
// INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING,
// BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS
// OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED
// AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY,
// OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF
// THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
// DAMAGE.
//--------------------------------------------------------




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