On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Shinobu Kawai wrote:
Hi Henri,
Trademarks/branding also worry me a bit. Do we have to do anything to give you permission to use the Feather etc (Apache have been increasingly protecting it recently). If we stick with the current l&f, it looks like an Apache site, but with no actual affiliation to Apache, so I suspect that someday I'll get a browbeating from the board.
When you said "use the Feather", did you mean the use of the Jakarta logo (http://jakarta.apache.org/images/jakarta-logo.gif) or the actual feather in the image of the Ja-Jakarta logo (http://www.jajakarta.org/images/jajakarta.png)? Maybe both?
Yep, both pretty much. As far as I understand, trademarks and logos etc need to be actively defended to keep them; so while there's no obvious issue with you guys using it, somebody who is using it for evil purposes can point to your use and claim that Apache is not defending its brand properly. I assume the solution is for us to make sure there's permission for you to use the logo etc.
One more question. Are there any restrictions to using jakarta-site2 (or a modification of it) to build sites for non-ASF projects? If not, I don't see any problems with having the same l&f. Or am I missing a point?
No problem with using it I think, the only issues that need to be figured out properly are the branding/logos, I think. I've a fair number of suggestions for, at least, the English translation of your homepage to do with trying to avoid confusion on the navigation, I'll add some to the end of this email.
My current thoughts are that the best way for translation sites to continue are much along the lines that they currently do. Largely independent communities who are helping to spread the Apache/Jakarta brand.
We would ensure that there is a liaison to the Apache/Jakarta community (for example I would put your name/email down somewhere as the liaison to the JaJakarta group); we would get the ASF legal people to write something simple giving permission to 'use the feather' and the name 'jakarta' provided a timely response to requests; and we'd link to your site from ours. I need to pitch this idea to the pmc/board etc, but it seems reasonable.
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Suggestions for JaJakarta:
This is from the English page as I don't speak any Japanese, but a lot of it may carry over. First off, some suggestions of improvements to the text:
----------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the Ja-Jakarta Project
The Ja-Jakarta project is a Japanese user group who use various Java products provided by the Apache Software Foundation, in particular its Jakarta project.
Our purpose is to:
* Translate Jakarta documentation into Japanese
* Internationalize Apache products and provide feedback them to the Jakarta project
* Promote Jakarta products in Japan
About Our Web Site
The content of our web site is written in Japanese. If you would like to see it, you should add "ja (japanese)" to your web browser's language setting (Firefox users need to install a "Language Menu" extension.).
The Japanese top page is here. ---------------------------------------------------------
Hoepfully that's all okay. Just a bit of improvement with regards to the bastard child of French and German that we all know as English.
The navbar is where I'm concerned there is going to be confusion between Jakarta and JaJakarta:
s/Check it out!!/News/ s/News/JaJakarta News/ s/Subprojects/Translations/
The names of the Apache projects should be more detailed nowadays. Apache Ant, Jakarta Cactus, Apache Struts, Jakarta Velocity etc.
Although it adds to the length, it would be nice to have changes (at least for the English version) for:
s/Get Involved/Get Involved in JaJakarta/ s/Project Management/JaJakarta Management/
The Jakarta News page (honke.html) hasn't had an update since last May.
The favicon.ico would probably be better if it was the pink flower and not pikachu (or something that looks similar at this screen size :) ).
Lastly, the book advert is a little out of character for an Apache project. It does list JaJakarta as one of the authors, which is pretty cool, but aren't there other Japanese books on Apache Java projects that you could list too? Even if you list JaJakarta first. Basically looking to make sure you can't be accused of using the Apache brand to sell the book.
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Thoughts?
Hen
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