There has been some discussion about modifying the Logging Services project bylaws (http://logging.apache.org/site/bylaws.html) to address some concerns particular to the project. I was researching the Jakarta guidelines and stumbled across http://jakarta.apache.org/ site/proposal.html. It is referenced at the bottom of http:// jakarta.apache.org/site/guidelines.html as a working proposal, but it does not appear from the SVN log to have any activity for over two years.

Was there a resolution on the proposal? If so or if has been abandoned, then it might be good to pull it and the link from the site or at least update the status. Has the activity moved elsewhere or is it just sleeping? If either was going to be considered as a starting point for a rework of the LS bylaws, would you recommend the proposal or the accepted guidelines?

I haven't had a chance to attempt to compare and contrast the current and proposed guidelines, but the proposal's one page format left a better impression since you can see everything at one glance.

One of significant differences between our current bylaws and either of the proposal or existing guidelines is that the PMC is tasked with electing new committers. There is a desire to move that decision towards the sub-project, but I'm concerned that without any role for the PMC and no private medium for the vote, that there isn't a clean way for the PMC to address a potential disruptive or legally entangling committer candidate except to accept the sub-project vote and for the PMC to attempt to revoke his committer rights requiring a full consensus. There would also be no private forum to discuss any sensitive issues since only the PMC has a private list. For the LS bylaws, I was considering suggesting a two-phase vote, lazy consensus at the sub-project and then lazy approval followed by lazy consensus at the PMC. Considering the damage a rogue committer could do, having the PMC with some means of intervening without invoking the nuclear option would seem to be warranted.

If anyone wants to contribute advice or opinions on the LS bylaws and proposed modifications, there should be a discussion starting in [email protected] starting in the next few days.

p.s.: s/immediate tactic/immediate tacit/

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