On 6/11/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 22:50 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
> Rahul Akolkar wrote:
<snip/>
> >
> > Per the umbrella concern, the question then becomes what -- if any --
> > are the mitigating factors that can address such a concern with
> > regards to this proposal. Based on Hen's email, seems like the ball is
> > still in the board's court -- as we wait for the next meeting -- so
> > maybe its premature to discuss if we should be trying to address those
> > comments yet?
> I would also like to understand exactly what the problem is and what
> mitigating steps may be possible. In particular, I would very much
> appreciate a definition of "umbrella" that allows Geronimo, Logging,
> Jakarta Commons, DB, XML, Web Services and Struts, but somehow
> disallows Testing.
(this is the way i see the world and so is likely biased)
the ASF runs on sub-minimal rules. most votes are subjective and not
objective. the criteria applied are personal and evolve over time. past
decisions are not revised to take account of changing opinions.
<snap/>
Thanks for that input Robert, seems in line with what I had
anticipated -- nice and fuzzy on an objective level.
The thing that is clear, however, is that this is membership driven
(as it should be too, IMO) so I'll pretty much step aside at this
point and return to my seat as a casual (yet keenly interested)
observer.
-Rahul
there is no rule against umbrella projects and so no single consensus
definition is needed. their is quite a diversity of opinions on umbrella
nature amongst the members. (i won't give my opinions on umbrella nature
now - they represent a minority viewpoint amongst the membership and may
be misleading.)
the board is elected by the members and so reflects the opinions of the
membership. there is a strong consensus that umbrella-ness is a warning
sign. just as there isn't a single objective definition, there is no one
definitive reason why members believe this. (again, i won't give my
opinions now - they represent a minority viewpoint amongst the
membership and so may be misleading.)
recently (for various reasons) there has been a definite hardening of
attitudes.
- robert
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