Hey, that sounds very cool. Nice job too in organizing your email and hitting many of the important highlights required to be an Apache projects.
WILL On 12/1/06, Julius Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi, Please take a look at "not-yet-commons-ssl", currently hosted here: http://juliusdavies.ca/commons-ssl/ This java library was developed over the last year with Apache Commons in mind. I've been hanging out on the httpclient mailing list for 2 years, learning about https and ssl and java thanks to the EasySSLProtocolSocketFactory and AuthSSLProtocolSocketFactory written by Oleg Kalnichevski and Adrian Sutton. If you google for "java ssl" you'll notice that HTTPClient is actually the first "*.apache.org" site to appear (sometimes 2nd page, sometimes 3rd page of results): http://www.google.ca/search?q=java+ssl Meanwhile if you just google for "ssl", you'll notice that "www.modssl.org" and "www.apache-ssl.org" are on the first page of results. Both of those sites contain (probably older?) versions of this documentation: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ssl_faq.html#selfcert As a Java developer I found these two different "ways" of setting up SSL to be a source of confusion. The OpenSSL/Apache documentation about setting up SSL is very good, very handy. But it just doesn't work with Java, because Java only understands "JKS" files created by "keytool". (Oh wait... months later I discover that Java can also handle "PKCS #12" by pretending the file is a special type of JKS file.) Once I finally started to understand these two different "ways", I started trying to build an easier way to work with both ways. The goal of "commons-ssl" is bridge that gap. I also tried to make SSL and Java easier to work with by not requiring the user to know so much. With Commons-SSL the user no longer needs to know: 1. What kind of keystore file is this? JKS or PKCS #12? Commons-SSL will just figure this out on its own. (We should probably also start considering these newer JCEKS files, but that's not in place yet.) 2. The user created a PKCS #12 file using "openssl" but forgot to say "-outform DER". Commons-SSL can still deal with that file. 3. The user created a "Traditional SSLeay" private key instead of PKCS8 by accident. Commons-SSL doesn't mind. If Commons-SSL could have a motto, I think it would be this: "You bring the files and the password, I'll do the rest." Perhaps add this sub-title: "If your password is wrong I'll throw a ProbablyBadPasswordException". Whereas pre-Commons-SSL, Java's motto would be: "You bring the files, the password, make sure you know the type, and if it's PKCS #12, make sure it's in DER. If your RSA private key and associated X509 chain are in separate files, you're going to have to transform them into PEM, start up Windows Notepad to cut & paste them into a single file, and then use 'openssl pkcs12' to get them into DER." Perhaps add this sub-title: "If your password is wrong I might throw a PaddingException or a DigestException. Depends on the vendor and version of Java.". That's the highest goal: Make SSL easier for the users. Make it easier for those courageous souls downloading our software and running it on their machines. The next goal: Make SSL easier for the developer. In Java changing aspects of an SSLSocketFactory or SSLServerSocketFactory is quite awkward. Many of the approaches in use today end up polluting the entire JVM. You want to connect to "https://MySelfSignedSite.com/"; and suddenly all your LDAPS and RMI-SSL and JDBC-SSL calls aren't checking the server certificate either! The HTTPClient group came up with a very novel solution: "https-easy://". Commons-SSL tried to take this further and generalize it. The developer can now create a single isolated SSLSocketFactory very easy (SSLClient extends SSLSocketFactory). SSLClient client = new SSLCLient(); [Notice how I'm borrowing from HttpClient's own usage pattern: HTTPClient client = new HttpClient();] The developer can then modify that SSLSocketFactory to suit their needs: client.setCheckHostname( false ); client.setCheckCRL( false ); client.setCheckExpiry( true ); client.setMaxTrustChainDepth( 6 ); // not yet implemented client.addTrustMaterial( new TrustMaterial( "/path/to/cert.pem" ) ); client.setKeyMaterial( new KeyMaterial( "/path/to/key.pem", "/path/to/certs.pem", "secret".toCharArray() ) ); That's the library! Now some details about this "PROPOSAL" and how it might fit in with Apache: Meritocracy, Community: ------------------------------------ So far, yes, it's just been me committing whenever I like. This has been convenient to try and get the library into a useable state. I think the library has good coherency because only one person has been working on it so far. But on the other hand, SSL is touchy stuff, and it needs eyes looking at it. I will never be able to declare that "yes, this library doesn't compromise your security" by myself. I think I'm ready to let go now, and let others extend this in exciting ways. The flip side of this requirement: I like to think I would make a good member of the Apache Community! I generally try to post helpful emails to some of the mailing lists. So while Commons-SSL doesn't have much of a community around it yet, HttpClient and other projects might enjoy having me around! [Mind you, I'm staying around on those mailing lists whether you accept this code or not. So it's not much of an argument for accepting the code. :-p] Core Developers: ------------------------------------ Definitely a weak spot with Commons-SSL right now. There's only me. Some people hanging out on the HTTPClient mailing list have shown interest in *using* the library, but no-one has time to start writing code. Still, SSL is a fun little niche. I imagine a few people will show up eventually, whether I'm around or not! I'm a shameless optimist. Alignment with existing Apache subprojects ------------------------------------ Here's where Commons-SSL is very strong. It's actually allowing all these server-socket-creating Java applications so point to the Apache httpd TLS FAQ! We're actually bridging an old split, between OpenSSL and Sun's Java, perhaps like the Pope's visit to Turkey right now? In terms of code use: we're using code from directory.apache.org, we've also using code from commons-codec. In terms of helping other projects: Commons-SSL has lots of hooks in place for HTTPClient, and anyone who uses SSLSocketFactory or SSLServerSocketFactory can drop Commons-SSL into their project quite seamlessly. I think Commons-SSL would be good for many open-source projects. Here are a few ideas: http://jtds.sourceforge.net/ http://telnetd.sourceforge.net/ http://directory.apache.org/ (to help when being an ldaps:// server) http://tomcat.apache.org/ (so support APR-SSL config when APR isn't around) That's just the server side. It's very handy on the client side, too. Already two open source projects (that I know of) are using Commons-SSL: http://xfire.codehaus.org/HTTP+Transport http://www.soapui.org/ There's one last topic to address in this proposal: Where Should Commons-SSL Ultimately Live? ------------------------------------ First there's the question of Incubation, or Sandbox. I quite like Incubation because it provides an ideal "software project template". That's my way of understanding it. Incubation shoots for perfection. While I don't think I can achieve perfection, I like to try. Sandbox, on the other hand, seems to be a quicker way to bring the code into the family. It's probably more suitable for small projects like this, whereas Incubation is more geared for larger projects like "directory.apache.org" (congratulations on their graduation!). But even a small project can benefit from implementing the many high goals and excellent thinking that's been put into Incubation. Personally I don't really know which I prefer. I guess the fact that I'm just a single developer makes me lean towards sandbox. Suddenly a lot of apache people will be able to commit to Commons-SSL! That's exciting. Unless I attract some pretty motivated people to this project quite soon, incubation will take a long time. I have a day job, a family. Like all of us, I don't have as much time as I would like for Commons-SSL. But it's just a mild leaning towards sandbox. I'm very happy with either. Aside from the question of Sandbox or Incubation, there's also the question of final destination. I can think of three places: #1. commons #2. http-components #3. commons-net #1 - Commons seems the most obvious place to me, but #2 - Http-Components also seems like a very interesting chioce. I don't know enough about #3 - commons-net to really comment, but it seems worth including in the list. #2 - http-components is especially interesting because two features of SSL depend strongly on HTTP: CRL checking and OCSP. It would be weird to have people downloading http-components so that they can create SSLServerSockets! But there is a lot of overlap, and "https" is definitely the most varied and uhh... "exciting" arena for interesting SSL problems these days. Probably if we're shooting for purity-of-design, commons is the safe bet. But lumping in with http-components like a good old-fashioned "static linking" good make for an interesting experiment. We could unwind it at a future date if we didn't like it. (Famous last words. Note: I didn't say we could unwind it "easily"!). I'm going to just leave this email as a "PROPOSAL" for now, and let people on [EMAIL PROTECTED] transform this into the many votes it probably needs. I guess it needs at least these three separate votes: 1. Vote to accept the code in some fashion. 2. Vote for Incubation or Sandbox. 3. Vote for final destination. Oh, one final note. If this gets sandboxed, I don't need to be a committer at this time. I'm more than happy to just email patches. -- yours, Julius Davies 416-652-0183 http://juliusdavies.ca/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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