It doesn't take a scholarly knowledge of J to know 
that two different arrays can have the same display:

   2+3 4 5
5 6 7
   '5 6 7'
5 6 7
   ,:'5 6 7'
5 6 7



----- Original Message -----
From: Terrence Brannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] "J for C Programmers" - Controlling Verb Execution 
BySpecifying a Rank - please flesh out discussion - my attempt       issupplied

> Yes, without reading what you are saying too closely, my point was
> that more than one thing can return the same printed representation
> and without a scholarly knowledge of J, one might conclude one is
> getting the same thing back.
> 
> On 4/4/07, Dan Bron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >a lot of J must be taught - when the representation for an 
> empty list
> > >and a rank-1 array of shape 0 are both blank lines...
> >
> > The display should be the same:  a rank-1 array of shape  ,0   
> _is_ an empty list.  If we use the narrower definition of list 
> given in http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/dicta.htm  :
> >
> >            1120 77 qdoj 'dicta'  NB.  Section A:  Nouns
> >         Arrays of ranks 0, 1, and 2 are
> >         also called atom, list, and table
> >
> > Then _only_ rank-1 arrays of shape  ,0  are empty lists.  If we 
> use the broader sense of list, as in "every array is a list of 
> items", then any array with 0 items an empty list.  But then, not 
> all arrays with tally zero display the same way:
> >
> >            < i. 0
> >         ++
> >         ||
> >         ++
> >            < i. 0 0
> >         ++
> >         ++
> >
> > (the boxes just make obvious the difference in display)
> >
> > That is, empty rank-1 arrays display 1 blank line, empty not-
> rank-1 arrays display 0 (blank) lines.  Here, empty means "no 
> items", not "no atoms".  Some arrays with items but no atoms (zero 
> volume) display blank lines:
> >
> >            < i. 1 0
> >         ++
> >         ||
> >         ++
> >
> > The justification for this is that a rank-1 array is one line; 
> one line with no 0-cells is a blank line.  A higher ranked array 
> has one line for each of its 1-cells.  No 1-cells means no lines.  
> A higher ranked array with 1-cells but no 0-cells has 1 blank line 
> per 1-cell.
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