As I recall, what I said no to was implementing special code for
   >@(u&.>/)@|.@(<@[ , <"[EMAIL PROTECTED])
or something like that.



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From: Henry Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:21
Subject: RE: [Jgeneral] Left right folds
To: 'General forum' <[email protected]>

>  
> > 
> > This general case version can be a bit slow, because J 
> > currently includes
> > no special code to support this case.  (No one has 
> presented 
> > any really
> > convincing cases about why something this obscure should be 
> > made really
> > fast.)
> 
> I have brought this up at least twice.  The case is not obscure
> at all: it arises when you have to apply a verb to a sequence
> of items with some state information carried forward from item
> to item.
> 
> In general, the state information is not the same type as the
> items, so boxing is needed.
> 
> The issue is not so much with u/ as with u/\. which you use
> if you need the result from each item.
> 
> The last time I brought this up, Roger dismissed it because
> the current implementation is pretty fast.  That, I think,
> missed the point, which is that the current implementation
> uses so much memory as to be unworkable for some problems.
> If the state information is passed from each item to the next,
> it will be present in each item of the result of u/\. so if
> I have 100 bytes of state to process a list of 1,000,000
> integers, my result will be 100MB in size when I really need
> only 4MB.  You can add some zeros to the sizes until you agree
> there's a problem.
> 
> There would be a side benefit in avoiding boxing, avoiding the
> cost of the initial append, the |., etc., but those savings are
> not vital.  Saving orders of magnitude of memory usage 
> might be.
> 
> The alternative is to make u an explicit verb that keeps its
> state in a public noun.
> 
> Henry Rich
> 
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