In my experience, you want to get people to the point where they can do something interesting as fast as you can. And then you need a path up, from there.
Showing them how to use operations like i. and + can be ok if they are interested in simple arithmetic, but if they have some other domain they are interested in, that might suggest some better starting points. That said, I would try to avoid projecting my own needs and areas of concern onto newcomers. Keep things simple. And, if you are working from a book, try and find ways of making the book's contents relevant. If you want to have them use Tara or JOD or whatever, of course you should do so, but initially treat it as a recipe -- they are going to have to learn a lot of other things also, especially if they have to unlearn some of their assumptions. -- Raul ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
