joey, I posted this link earlier, but I suppose merits repeating since Lera Boroditsky was one of the participants in this video conversation on the topic of Language and Thought.
http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/10/language-and-thought.html Cheers, bob On 2010-10-17, at 9:43 AM, Joey K Tuttle wrote: > As a side note to this topic, I plan to attend a talk by Lera > Boroditsky at LongNow.org 10/26. Such talks are available in video > after they are presented (and members can stream them as they are > given). > > http://www.longnow.org/seminars/02010/oct/26/how-language-shapes-thought/ > > Since my first encounters with APL in 1967 I have felt (and said) > that it is a different way of thinking. The idea of language shaping > thought seems very central to the appeal (or dislike) of APL and > related languages. Interesting that the topic is becoming more "real > world". > > - joey > > At 10:28 -0400 2010/10/17, linda falkoff wrote: >> Dear Forum (feel free to move to different list if appropriate): >> >> Following up on Stephen's much appreciated Vector link, I find Prof. Lera >> Boroditsky's' work fascinating; perhaps she's here or otherwise we'll link >> up. (Also, all, 4 of my own grandparents were from Minsk). >> >> On topic of software linguistics and languages in general, I met with >> Chomsky years at Vassar (compsci faculty) for a stroll then plus later at >> MIT years ago thinking a somewhat-here-related sabbatical with him might >> work out; the timing was not great. However, avoiding the thought/language >> circularity potential (for now)... >> >> What lies beneath? >> >> Was Ken and R U all on to things basic and seminal ... my own belief (hence >> claim) is that survival-urges prompt piaget-type responses (mapping out a >> world that seems navigable by franming claims about "it" and "self") in very >> early years, but recall Chomsky may have posited as from 'Conception'. Then >> there're Jung's forms, basic nl grammars, etc ... but stages in existence or >> potential existence may proceed as well. >> >> What did Ken think he was on to? What do you think? >> >> (Or is sticking "to the surface" more attractive, doable, rewarding, >> sustainable). >> >> With warm regards, LDMF. >> Respectful Interfaces Director and Rep. to U.N. of World Education >> Fellowship. >> >> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Roger Hui <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/InductiveMethod.htm >>> talks about the teaching of APL, based on a close study >>> of the Berlitz method and other methods of teaching >>> natural languages. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Roger Hui <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, October 1, 2010 8:37 >>> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - between J and >>> natural language (example: English). >>> To: General forum <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Welcome to the J Forums, Linda. >>>> >>>> As far as Ken's work, there isn't much explicitly written >>>> on the subject. I know of the following items: >>>> >>>> - http://keiapl.org/anec/#algebra >>>> from "Algebra: An Algorithmic Treatment", 1972. >>>> >>>> - He modeled the organization of the dictionary part >>>> of "J Introduction and Dictionary" >>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/contents.htm >>>> and before that "A Dictionary of APL", >>>> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=36983.36984 >>>> on the organization of an English dictionary, >>>> in particular the American Heritage Dictionary of the >>>> English Language. (Earlier versions were called >>>> "A Dictionary of the APL Language" and "The ISI >>>> [Iverson Software Inc.] Dictionary of J") >>>> >>>> - Of course, he uses noun/verb/adverb etc. >>>> where more traditionally in this context the >>>> terms array/function/operator are used. >>>> This has been very helpful as for example most >>>> every one gets "adverb" (run quickly, eat quickly, ...; >>>> run quickly, run slowly, run directly, ...) whereas >>>> "operator" tends to be confusing and mysterious. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: linda falkoff <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:43 >>>> Subject: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - between >>>> J and natural language (example: English). >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> >>>>> Best wishes up front - >>>>> >>>>> and can you please share some links you like on the topic of J >>>>> and natural >>>>> language, English or otherwise? >>>>> Sorry, post is redundant with email subject line. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks, LDMF, *Respectful Interfaces*. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
