I would prefer ESC not to close the Edit window either, but I concede that this is not a big issue given that simply opening it again will leave me where I was before it closed.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Don Guinn <[email protected]> wrote: > This works fine. Thank you. > > I tried using ESC on a script window and ESC still closes the window. Also, > it saves the script if modified. It does not prompt before saving. > > 32 bit on Vista > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:42 AM, chris burke <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In the latest gtk, Esc close is off by default. A gtkide config entry >> EscClose lets you turn it on. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, chris burke <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The Esc behaviour has always been supported in J, and was common at >> > one time in Windows apps, e.g. notepad2. >> > >> > I suggest that: >> > >> > ConfirmClose be removed. Whichever way the J session is closed using >> > the Gui, there would be prompts only if there are unsaved changes in >> > the editor. >> > >> > A new config option EscClose (default 0) allows Esc to close J if >> enabled. >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Tikkanz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If Esc no longer closed the Term (or Edit) window then I'd be more >> >> comfortable with having the default ConfirmClose setting set to 0. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:32 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Esc is not an established way to close a window or terminate an >> application. >> >>> I use esc heavily on other applications but not for the purpose of >> closing >> >>> a window. >> >>> >> >>> If esc is removed from the list for commands for closing a form, then >> >>> users must have pressing the 'x' button or window manager shortcut key >> such >> >>> as ctrl-f4, by doing this, users should fully aware the effect and the >> >>> intention is clear. Asking again for confirmation will be an annoyance. >> >>> >> >>> Пнд, 07 Фев 2011, Don Guinn писал(а): >> >>>> The "x" in the Windows environment is a quick way out, going to the >> option >> >>>> of whether or not to prompt on exiting. If a person wants to exit J, >> why go >> >>>> to another prompt to make "are you sure?". The point I was trying to >> make is >> >>>> that the JHS and JGTK versions should be somewhat consistent. >> >>>> >> >>>> I choose not to be prompted with the "are you sure?" but I don't think >> >>>> pressing "esc" should kick in the terminate J sequence. It doesn't is >> in >> >>>> browsers. Why should it in JTGK? >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, chris burke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> > There is a ConfirmClose config for this in gtkide config. Default is >> >>>> > off. Should it be on, or is the default not important? >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Don Guinn <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> > > To provide more compatibility between the two environments, JGTK >> should >> >>>> > not >> >>>> > > exit on pressing ESC. In JGTK CTRL+a selects all the text. Why not >> have >> >>>> > it >> >>>> > > be lab advance? More like in JHS which uses ESC-a for lab advance. >> In >> >>>> > > addition CTRL+a could be lab advance in JGTK instead of selecting >> all. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > It seems to me that it is more important that JGTK and JHS conform >> closer >> >>>> > to >> >>>> > > each other than to the conventions of GTK and browsers. If I use >> JHS and >> >>>> > get >> >>>> > > used to pressing ESC to do functions I could get in real trouble >> trying >> >>>> > to >> >>>> > > use JGTK. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Tikkanz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > >> I agree managing keybindings across browsers and across OS's is >> hard - >> >>>> > >> however my main suggestions below just involve altering the >> letters >> >>>> > >> used in combination with Esc, not changing the basic key >> combinations. >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> My mentioning Ctrl+ use in Gmail was intended just as a heads up >> that >> >>>> > >> this might be worth investigating sometime in the future ... >> J702? >> >>>> > >> ;-). >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> > >> > My knowledge with jhs is almost empty, but I imagine jhs has >> already >> >>>> > >> gotten >> >>>> > >> > a hard time to keep keybindings work across different browsers. >> JGTK >> >>>> > is >> >>>> > >> > fortunate here. >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> > >> > Пнд, 07 Фев 2011, Ric Tikkanz писал(а): >> >>>> > >> >> I agree that making keyboard mappings user-configurable is >> sensible. >> >>>> > >> >> However IMO, the default (Out-of-the-Box) configuration should >> as >> >>>> > >> >> similar as possible between the various IDEs. >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:15 PM, bill lam <[email protected] >> > >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> > >> >> > Ideally keybinding should be user configurable because it is >> a >> >>>> > matter >> >>>> > >> of >> >>>> > >> >> > personal preference, eg. a certain key chord can be awkward >> to >> >>>> > reach >> >>>> > >> in >> >>>> > >> >> > some keyboard mappings. >> >>>> > >> >> > >> >>>> > >> >> > J701 is now a stable release albeit being crude, so that >> Jbeta >> >>>> > forum >> >>>> > >> can >> >>>> > >> >> > now take a break. >> >>>> > >> >> > >> >>>> > >> >> > Пнд, 07 Фев 2011, Ric Tikkanz писал(а): >> >>>> > >> >> >> I discovered that the Ctrl+j shortcut (same as J602) works >> to >> >>>> > advance >> >>>> > >> >> >> from topic to topic but this probably needs to be made more >> >>>> > >> >> >> discoverable (Help|Studio|Advance ?). >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> Ideally the default JHS and Gtk IDE shortcuts for advancing >> in a >> >>>> > lab >> >>>> > >> >> >> (and other common things) should use the same letter - >> currently >> >>>> > JHS >> >>>> > >> >> >> is (Esc,a) while Gtk IDE is (Ctrl+j). >> >>>> > >> >> >> JHS already uses (Esc,j) to switch to the jijx window, and >> Gtk IDE >> >>>> > >> >> >> already uses (Ctrl+a) as "select all" - a fairly >> widely-used >> >>>> > standard >> >>>> > >> >> >> (browsers, editors). >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> Currently: >> >>>> > >> >> >> JHS Gtk >> >>>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijx/Term j T >> >>>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijs/Edit J M >> >>>> > >> >> >> Advance lab topic a j >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> Proposed: >> >>>> > >> >> >> JHS Gtk >> >>>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijx/Term j j >> >>>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijs/Edit J J >> >>>> > >> >> >> Advance lab topic t t >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> BTW, as I write this in my browser using Google mail, I >> notice >> >>>> > that >> >>>> > >> >> >> they have successfully managed to use the standard Ctrl+ >> shortcuts >> >>>> > >> >> >> that we are used to in desktop apps (i.e. Ctrl+s saves my >> draft, >> >>>> > >> >> >> Ctrl+B for bold etc.). It may therefore be possible to >> emulate >> >>>> > what >> >>>> > >> >> >> they've done in JHS at some stage? >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> > >> >> >> For information about J forums see >> >>>> > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>>> > >> >> > >> >>>> > >> >> > -- >> >>>> > >> >> > regards, >> >>>> > >> >> > ==================================================== >> >>>> > >> >> > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> >>>> > >> >> > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> >>>> > >> >> > >> >>>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> > >> >> > For information about J forums see >> >>>> > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> > >> >> For information about J forums see >> >>>> > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> > >> > -- >> >>>> > >> > regards, >> >>>> > >> > ==================================================== >> >>>> > >> > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> >>>> > >> > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> >>>> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> > >> > For information about J forums see >> >>>> > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>>> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> > >> For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> > > For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> > For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>>> > >> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> regards, >> >>> ==================================================== >> >>> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> >>> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
