On Monday 31 March 2003 08:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That's very demeaning to your own intelligence. Do you categorize > > everyone in that manner to qualify your own sense of self worth and > > argumentative justifications? If that's the type of hypocritical > > generalizations that you sincerely believe are true, then I have to > > question your ability to discern truth from fiction. The dignity of your > > service is tainted by your prejudicial statements, and I'm a bit ashamed > > to have even acknowledged this as a worthy comment, as it's certainly > > not an intelligent argument, only the sadly mistaken comment from one > > who can only criticize, condemn, and complain, while offering no > > substantiative solution of their own. > > While I don't disagree with you, Andrew, the fact that he served the > military during Vietnam makes his stance a little less difficult to > understand. He no doubt caught a lot of pain both in Viet Nam and after > his return to the bloodsucking fools who dishonored our veterans once they > returned. Unfortunately I view those people in the same light as the > wonder-bread who are protesting in the streets, blocking major bridges. > Let's hope they have the decency to treat our troops with a lot more > respect.
>>>Thanks for the defense, but you're off base somewhat. Many of the current protesters are ex-military who served in Nam. They don't protest because it's the cool thing of youthful growing up, but because they have been there. The one thing they learned is that war is real, people, except those like our Chief draft dodger, die. 50,000 in Viet Nam to learn one valuable lesson: you don't go to war unless there are damned good reasons for it. We were lied to when the troops were sent to Nam. Now we have a daddy's boy president who has done nothing but lie about the reasons for war. He's so bad at it that from week to week he can't remember what the reason is. Thus we started as the War Against Terrorism > The War Against Weapons of Mass Destruction (designed to make Americans look under their beds at night to make sure there isn't a bug bomb there) >The War to Make Iraq Comply With the UN Resolution. > The War to Disarm Iraq> The War to Free Iraq. Course no one in Iraq or even their neighbors, who had most to fear from Iraq, asked us to invade Iraq to free it's people. So just why are we in Iraq? Other protesters, if you watch the TV coverage seem to be elderly Americans who have lost one too many sons to war and down to earth stockbroker types and grandmothers. Look at the other side, labeled patriots. What do you see beer gutted jingoes with their SUVs parked in the background waving signs that say "support our troops." Support our troops is not a reason for war. We didn't send American troops 3,000 mile to risk their lives so a bunch of beer guts safely distanced from the fighting can have something to feel good about. Then there are the so-called Christians. You know the Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson types who went of TV after the WTC attack claiming that we deserved it, it was a judgment from God for our immorality. Now they screech from their pulpits"support our troops and put $75 in the plate because Jerry needs a new suit to carry on God's work." Somewhere in all their screaching and sign waving the words of Christ got lost,:blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the childern of God." > > By the way, many thanks to those countries who have given their most > precious natural resource to aid in Iraq: their people. > Many in our country don't understand that our freedoms we enjoy were bought > by such honorable blood. I only wish that we all lived up to the moral > standards which have been used to cause other countries to hate us, as > someone pointed out. We DO have a lot of cruft in the US, something that > is not really in dispute. I understand that the "Great Satan" is being > served by many in our country and throughout the world. I'm sure that we > are compared to the former great Babylon. However, that is a separate > problem. Freedom until it conflicts with the freedom of others. That is > how our country's government is set up. There are immoral things which a > great many people avoid, but which is not directly affecting the freedoms > of others, so our government does not step in. I agree that there are some > areas which our government could be a lot tougher on. But the basis of the > US government is that my right to disagree with the government is > protected, and yes, even Llama's as well :) > McDonalds' and other "western influences" are dealt with by each government > around the world. It's the reason each government has their own laws about > business. If there's a problem with McDonalds and other companies (or yes, > even drugs) it is up the the local government to deal with them. They have > that right, and nothing we do will take that right away.... The problem is > that Drugs are a global problem. The US has their problems with them just > as the French or Germans do. But the US gets the blame, even though most > drugs come from problematic second- and third-world countries... not the > US. But it is because of us that they get into your country. BULL > SCHMIDT! It is because the people in other countries are no better than > those in our country that drugs get there. It isn't because we push them, > it is because there is demand. Porn is the same way. The problem isn't > the US (although labeling us as the big bully and great Satan sure doesn't > help us out), it's in mankind. So does this make democracy a bad thing? > No, although democracy (or a republic) is not perfect. Nothing is. But > from there it becomes a religeous debate and I really don't have the time > to rehash that one at the moment. > > Much respect to all of you, even if I don't respect your opinion. > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/general _______________________________________________ General mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/general
