On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:19 -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: > Net Llama! wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Matthew Carpenter wrote: > > > >>On Tuesday 27 September 2005 09:54, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > >> > >>>Why the fuss over this and not over fingerprints? Once a record of a > >>>physical trait to be used in tracking was allowed, is there any surprise > >>>that as the traits to record get more accurate they too would be > >>>recorded? > >>> > >>><rant> > >>> > >>>I would like to hear more complaints about the nifty little fingerprint > >>>scanners at U.S. immigrations that scan/compare/record fingerprints for > >>>all non-U.S. passengers entering the U.S. Oh, that's right. I forgot. > >>>Civil rights in the U.S. only applies to some portion of the U.S. > >>>population, and no one else. > >>> > >>></rant> > >>> > >>Oh, I don't know. I don't see a problem with that. Civil liberties and > >>"Inalienable Human Rights" are significantly different. Those checks are to > >>protect the citizens of this country. If you don't like it: > >> > >>a) don't visit the US > >>b) become a citizen of the US > >> > >>It's not like it's a huge imposition. And the cost/benefit ratio is good. > > > > > > Based on what data? We weren't imposing those requirements for over 200 > > years prior to 9/11/01, and there were no attacks. > > Correct. Any time the government begins these kind of "preemptive" > actions, it can only go down hill. It may all be benign for now, but the > time will come when the power will be abused. It is one-hundred-percent > guaranteed. > > I'm all for controlling our borders, but harassing visitors who have a > legal right to come here accomplishes nothing.
Our agent in Saudi Arabia is a real nice person. Open and friendly. He was educated in business at U of T in Austin in the '70s. He has been travelling to the US continuously. After 9/11, he was stopped at immigration and pretty much strip searched. He was so hurt that he says he will never return. It was, he felt, like a friend that turns his back on you. His records will show that he represented Saudi Arabia on the International Chamber of Commerece in Geneva. That he was a deputy Minister of Commerce in Saudi Arabia. Over all, a reputable person. And I am sure just one of many. Now, he is not going to go home and plot the downfall of the US. He will only go home and be sad at his treatment. The even more sad part is that this treatment of such visitors does not increase security. But it makes the government look busy. > > No offense intended. This is a touchy subject. With few easy answers. Full agreement there. My only guideline is to be sensitive to what you are doing. Brute force as a defense seldom works. Even in football. > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] > Unsub/Pause/Etc : http://mail.linux-sxs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/general > _______________________________________________ [email protected] Unsub/Pause/Etc : http://mail.linux-sxs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/general
