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2012/10/23 Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>:
> well, then I start the release. at least all my tests doesnt show up
> any problems... and this looks at least better than it was before...
> I'll notify via this list once the release had been done
>
> kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Yep, that should do it, at least that's the part I tested
>>
>> a long running test in the coming week will show how good :-)
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>> 2012/10/23 Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>:
>>> OK, this [1] should do it. WDYT? Out with it?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> [1] 
>>> https://github.com/ops4j/org.ops4j.pax.wicket/commit/a2a103355e6c480864dcf1bd748b197fe695b0db
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Bram Pouwelse <b...@pouwelse.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Andreas,
>>>>
>>>> The fix seems to work, the only concern I have is that this may cause
>>>> exceptions in a case where a custom property is set on the application
>>>> in the application factory. This property would not be set by Pax
>>>> Wicket when the "enhanced" version of the application is created.  But
>>>> even without the fix this would cause some unexpected behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Bram
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/10/23 Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> perfect! I just want to get a second feedback from Bram. If he also
>>>>> confirms the trick working I'll commit and release PaxWicket 1.1.1
>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for discovering and testing this one!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I changed it according to the idea of Bram,
>>>>>> and tested it with my application that was consuming far to much
>>>>>> memory (reproducable).
>>>>>> It's now stable below 300 MB of Heap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Bram thanks for pointing to this, this really safed my day :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/10/23 Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com>:
>>>>>>> Hi Andreas,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did change this locally and I'm testing it right now.
>>>>>>> Will give feedback later ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/10/23 Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> Well, I can commit your proposed changes, but you would still have to 
>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>> pax wicket locally and use the snapshots. When you confirm that the 
>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>> I really fixed I can push a release to Central within a Max of 8 
>>>>>>>> hours...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know of I can help you in any way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards, Andreas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2012 6:23 PM, "Bram Pouwelse" <b...@pouwelse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Andreas,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've looked at the PropertyResolver at line 1447 a key is determined
>>>>>>>>> to use in a ConcurrentHashMap [1]. This key is the application
>>>>>>>>> returned by getApplication() after some testing I found out that
>>>>>>>>> equals on application doesn't work by putting
>>>>>>>>> getApplication().equals(getApplication())  in a sample application.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I remove the special case for equals, hashCode and toString from
>>>>>>>>> the intercept method [2]  getApplication().equals(getApplication())
>>>>>>>>> returns true as I would expect. I've created a similar HashMap in my
>>>>>>>>> test application and a map with Application as a key seems to work
>>>>>>>>> after the change. Didn't have a chance to do any real world test with
>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bram
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/wicket/blob/master/wicket-core/src/main/java/org/apache/wicket/core/util/lang/PropertyResolver.java#L1447
>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ops4j/org.ops4j.pax.wicket/blob/master/service/src/main/java/org/ops4j/pax/wicket/internal/PaxWicketApplicationFactory.java#L115
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/22 Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> > well, it's quite possible that the CG lib does some quircks here. 
>>>>>>>>> > Has
>>>>>>>>> > anyone already tried to set breakpoints into the PropertyResolver 
>>>>>>>>> > [1]
>>>>>>>>> > checking what's exactly the problem? I'll start tomorrow morning by
>>>>>>>>> > doing exactly this...
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > If getApplication().equals(getApplication()) is really the problem
>>>>>>>>> > (where did you find that code btw?) I might find a workaround for 
>>>>>>>>> > that
>>>>>>>>> > case... let's see to nail down the problem first.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>> > Andreas
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > [1]
>>>>>>>>> > https://github.com/apache/wicket/blob/master/wicket-core/src/main/java/org/apache/wicket/core/util/lang/PropertyResolver.java
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Achim Nierbeck
>>>>>>>>> > <bcanh...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> Oh, one more,
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> after running a Component Report i got the following info about it:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Empty Collections
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Detected the following empty collections:
>>>>>>>>> >> •6.482.518 instances of 
>>>>>>>>> >> java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$Segment
>>>>>>>>> >> retain >= 829.762.448 bytes.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>  Collection Fill Ratios
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Detected the following collections with fill ratios below 20%:
>>>>>>>>> >> •432.156 instances of java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap 
>>>>>>>>> >> retain >=
>>>>>>>>> >> 1.018.329.768 bytes.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Map Collision Ratios
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Detected the following maps with collision ratios above 80%:
>>>>>>>>> >> •1 instances of java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap retain
>>>>>>>>> >> 1.038.046.920 bytes.
>>>>>>>>> >> •1 instances of java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$Segment 
>>>>>>>>> >> retain
>>>>>>>>> >> 296 bytes.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I haven't found the root cause of it, but somehow I have the
>>>>>>>>> >> impression this might be an issue of Pax-Wicket?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> btw. I'm using Pax-Wicket in Version 1.0.2
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> 2012/10/22 Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> >>> Here a little update to this, cause today my application did run 
>>>>>>>>> >>> into
>>>>>>>>> >>> an OOM due to this (with 1GB Heap)
>>>>>>>>> >>> The current HeapDump shows me
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> That the wicket PropertyResolver uses about 1GB Ram, from those 
>>>>>>>>> >>> are
>>>>>>>>> >>> about 62MB for
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>> ref
>>>>>>>>> >>> |CGLIB$CALLBACK_0|org.ops4j.pax.wicket.internal.PaxWicketApplicationFactory$WebApplicationWrapper
>>>>>>>>> >>> @ 0xf2b693d0
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> I guess those are basically the session, looks OK right now.
>>>>>>>>> >>> But the rest is consumed by about 260000 ConcurrentHashMap 
>>>>>>>>> >>> Entries.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> For example:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Type|Name            |Value
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>> ref
>>>>>>>>> >>> |CGLIB$CALLBACK_0|org.ops4j.pax.wicket.internal.PaxWicketApplicationFactory$WebApplicationWrapper
>>>>>>>>> >>> @ 0xc1fa0250
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> I don't know how to say this, but it seems awfully wrong right 
>>>>>>>>> >>> now ...
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> 2012/10/22 Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> I've seen the exact thing but didn't have the time (yet) to get a
>>>>>>>>> >>>> hold of it.
>>>>>>>>> >>>> But since it's mostly Wicket classes involved I had the 
>>>>>>>>> >>>> impression
>>>>>>>>> >>>> it's wicket itself
>>>>>>>>> >>>> that does this.
>>>>>>>>> >>>> To prove something like it, I wanted to create an example which 
>>>>>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>>>> >>>> work
>>>>>>>>> >>>> in both world (pax-wicket and wicket) but due to lack of time I
>>>>>>>>> >>>> wasn't able to
>>>>>>>>> >>>> get to it.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> But since I'm not the only one I'd guess this is something 
>>>>>>>>> >>>> worthy to
>>>>>>>>> >>>> investigate :)
>>>>>>>>> >>>> My next test would have been to switch to Wicket 6 (pax-wicket 
>>>>>>>>> >>>> 2.0)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> 2012/10/22 Bram Pouwelse <b...@pouwelse.com>:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I'm working on an application that's using Pax Wicket (version
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 1.1.0).
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Because the application is using more memory than expected I'm
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> some tests and analysing heap dumps for a few days now.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> While analysing the heap of my "weekend test" I've found this 
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> top of the Pax Wicket bundle class loader at the top of the
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> dominator
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> tree, seems to me that the PropertyResolver is creating new
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> DefaultClassCache instances all the time but I don't understand 
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> why.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Below I've pasted a few selections from Eclipse Memory Analyzer:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dominator tree:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Class Name
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>                                   | Shallow Heap | Retained 
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Heap |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Percentage
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.BundleWiringImpl$BundleClassLoaderJava5
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>  @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xc123ee58                          |           88 |   
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 643,602,288 |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>   89.39%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |- java.util.Vector @ 0xc1252208
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>                                   |           32 |   
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 643,566,800 |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 89.38%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |  '- java.lang.Object[1280] @ 0xc2445ee8
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>                                   |        5,136 |   
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 643,566,768 |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 89.38%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |- class org.apache.wicket.util.lang.PropertyResolver @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xb9b5d330                                 |           32 |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 643,420,472 |     89.36% *
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |  '- java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap @ 0xc2962bf8
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>                                   |           48 |   
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 643,420,440 |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 89.36%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |     '- 
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$Segment[16] @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xc2962c28                           |           80 |   
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 643,420,392
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>    89.36%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |- 
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$Segment @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xc2963098                            |           40 |   
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 643,418,872
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>     89.36% **
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |-
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry[262144] @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xd8674190
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>              |    1,048,592 |   643,418,768 |     89.36%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |  '-
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry @ 0xea9687a8
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>           |           32 |   642,370,176 |     89.22%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |     |-
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry @ 0xea967a28
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>        |           32 |   642,366,720 |     89.22%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |     |  |-
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry @ 0xea966ca8
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>     |           32 |   642,363,264 |     89.22% ***
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |     |  |-
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> org.apache.wicket.util.lang.PropertyResolver$DefaultClassCache @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xea967398|           16 |         3,424 |      0.00%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |     |  '- Total: 2 entries
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>                                   |              |              
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>  |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |     |-
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> org.apache.wicket.util.lang.PropertyResolver$DefaultClassCache @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xea968118   |           16 |         3,424 |      0.00%
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |     |        |  |     '- Total: 2 entries
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>                                   |              |              
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>  |
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> * class org.apache.wicket.util.lang.PropertyResolver @ 
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xb9b5d330
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> [statics]:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Type|Name                               |Value
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref |SET                                |set
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref |IS                                 |is
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref |GET                                |get
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |applicationToClassesToGetAndSetters|java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> @ 0xc2962bf8
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> int |RESOLVE_CLASS                      |2
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> int |CREATE_NEW_VALUE                   |1
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> int |RETURN_NULL                        |0
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref |log
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |org.ops4j.pax.logging.slf4j.Slf4jLogger @ 0xc2972ba0
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ** java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry[262144] @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xd8674190 [attributes]
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Type |Name      |Value
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> float|loadFactor|0.75
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref  |table
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry[262144] @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xd8674190
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> int  |threshold |196608
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> int  |modCount  |185871
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> int  |count     |185871
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref  |sync
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |java.util.concurrent.locks.ReentrantLock$NonfairSync
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> @ 0xc29630c0
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> *** java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry @ 
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xea966ca8
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> [attributes]
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Type|Name |Value
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref |next |java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap$HashEntry @
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 0xea965f28
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |value|org.apache.wicket.util.lang.PropertyResolver$DefaultClassCache
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> @ 0xea966618
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> int |hash |1234246985
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ref |key
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> |nl.ditp.fabuland.core.internal.WicketApplication$$EnhancerByCGLIB$$4188d86a
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> @ 0xc22bcc88
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is this caused by a coding error in the application or a bug in
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Wicket
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> / Pax Wicket?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Bram Pouwelse
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
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