Steven Noels wrote:
Some undefined number above three. Undefined only because it is a judgment call.[suggestion to hold this discussion only on [EMAIL PROTECTED] from now?]> Separate code bases with separate communities should be separate > projects. Independent of the size of the codebase, if the size of > the community is only a few people, then it is not an ASF project. > Such efforts can be pursued outside of the ASF, be pursued inside the > Incubator, or be incorporated inside an existing community � as long > as all participants in that larger community are treated as peers.Please define 'a few':
bash-2.04$ cat /home/cvs/CVSROOT/avail | grep fopIf taken literally, my read of this is that they are essentially the same community.
avail|coar,dirkx,stefano,twl,andyh,sboag,jtauber,andyc,rpfeiffe,mpogue,mdierken,kvisco,eduardop,abagchi,rahulj,rwebster,roddey,dleslie,mmidy,sanjiva,dmarston,pauldick,curcuru,dbertoni,jdonohue,robweir,balld,ricardo,zvia,gmarcy,arkin,duncan,aruna1,rajiv,fotis,eschaeffer,arved,gears,jordan,keiron,stanislav,klease,kellyc,artw,tore,bdelacretaz,chrisg,pbwest,pietsch,jeremias,olegt,vmote|xml-fop,xml-site,xml-commons
bash-2.04$ cat /home/cvs/CVSROOT/avail | grep xang
avail|coar,dirkx,mode,stefano,twl,andyh,sboag,jtauber,andyc,rpfeiffe,mpogue,mdierken,kvisco,eduardop,abagchi,rahulj,rwebster,roddey,dleslie,mmidy,sanjiva,dmarston,pauldick,curcuru,dbertoni,jdonohue,robweir,balld,ricardo,zvia,gmarcy,arkin,duncan,aruna1,rajiv,lehors,jeffreyr,rubys,ben,hbed,duftler,jkesselm,auriemma,jacek,martinf,costin,garyp,johng,tmiller,amiro,morten,ovidiu,jambroziak,santiagopg,ilene,zongaro,mkwan|xml-site,xml-xalan,xml-stylebook,xml-xang,xml-admin,xml-commons
From the result of this, one could possibly say FOP has less community then Xang, but we all knew the opposite is quite true.
With respect to XML, I honestly don't know how many communities we have. But the above provides a recipe to find out. Without changing any physical layout of mailing lists or cvs repositories, we can begin to phase out the karma and voting boundaries between various subprojects. Those that don't wish to participate will be encouraged to form their own separate projects (or move into incubation).I agree that breaking the barriers between subprojects, especially concerning voting (not so sure about karma), is an interesting Darwinistic and community exercise, but if we do so, we should do it based on some well-defined criteria.
Each community is welcome to define its own criteria.
Concerning commit rights, I still believe that commit rights should be earned within the community that grows a certain subproject however.
OK, as long as separate community = separate project (in the ASF sense).
That is, when a 'project' in your scenario would be something like cocoon.a.o, and a 'subproject' of that being Forrest.If the cocoon and forrest share the same community, then this is fine with me. Otherwise, this they should be peer projects.
What I like most about such a proposal is that it is completely up to the commiters to decide whether they want opt in or opt out.
I would say 'make use of their rights or not' instead of 'opt in/out'.
OK.
Merge or diverge. Having community boundaries distinct from PMC boundaries is not sustainable.What do others think?I'm still trying to understand what you are aiming at ;-)
- Sam Ruby
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