I'll also add that supporting more kernels (perhaps aside from seL4) is
unlikely to help anywhere near as much as stabilizing and documenting the
Genode API. Right now, it takes a lot of searching to get even a basic
familiarity with any given part of the API (e.g. filesystems).
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:47 PM, John Lee <j...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016, Norman Feske wrote:
>
> > Hi Pontus,
> >
> > welcome to the list and thank you for the thought-provoking comments!
> >
> >> First, I must say that I still have some trouble understanding the use
> >> case for Genode as a desktop OS. Not that I don't like the idea but I
> >> think this is such an enormous undertaking that a believe might be
> >> like aiming too far or maybe like missing lower hanging fruit.
> >
> > I will try to clarify the goal and motivation.
> >
> > The goal is to enable the productive use of Genode by a narrow group of
> > users with reasonably with well-defined requirements. I gave two
> > examples of such groups, namely us developers and the users of a
> > disposable TOR-browser appliance. The immediate goal is *not* to create
> > a desktop OS for the masses. This would be unrealistic. But with the
> > goal narrowed like this, the aspiration is feasible.
>
> As a person who aspires to use Genode, and therefore also aspires to see
> the community of developers who contribute to Genode grow, what you say
> makes sense and I see how the desktop is more important than it might
> appear.
>
> I'm late to the discussion, but for very similar reasons, may I offer
> this, perhaps obvious (?) use case as a driver for development: IoT
> applications on platforms that are appealing and accessible to "amateur"
> IoT developers, who likely are also professional programmers, playing with
> Genode in their spare time.
>
> There is a clear 'itch to scratch' for developers not satisfied with the
> IoT marketplace -- security, freedom, hackability. Of course it is a
> growth area, so there is less entrenched competition. To make another
> obvious point, the risk, cost, and inconvenience of getting started with a
> Raspberry Pi that is not one's main desktop/laptop are all very low,
> especially since many people already own one that is sitting in a cupboard
> unused!
>
> I don't know what really attracts the developers who contribute the most
> -- I think it is probably quite individual -- but two things that it seems
> can only help are:
>
> 1. Increasing the audience of potential Genode developers by supporting
> popular platforms that can be used for IoT applications, like Raspberry Pi
> and Raspberry Pi 2.
>
> 2. People like helping others, so an audience of people not developing
> Genode, but using it to develop IoT apps, might encourage some new Genode
> developers. To this end, I'd like to suggest targetting ease of getting
> "up and running" with these platforms: for example, it would be amazing if
> there were a downloadable RPi2 image that one could just write to a micro
> SD card, ssh in and run bash and python to process video from the standard
> raspberrypi.org camera module. Of course I'm sure this is a lot of work,
> but I think even steps towards it are likely to increase the interested
> audience who will push it further in that direction.
>
>
> IoT makes a connection between tinkering and work. A similar combination
> is arguably what got Linux where it is now...
>
>
> On a separate subject: I'm sure any progress on seL4 will attract new
> people.
>
>
> John
>
>
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