Okay, so if I understand the pipeline, phyloFit is used to make an initial
estimate from a cladogram (no branch lengths).  The resulting tree is fed
into phastCons as an initial estimate.  phastCons gives estimates for
conserved and non-conserved branch lengths.  phastCons is called repeatedly,
using the previous estimate for non-conserved elements as the prior
estimate.

I was under the impression that the tree input into phastCons at the first
iteration was obtained from an external source (i.e., using 4-fold
degenerate sites). Thanks for helping me clear that up.
--
Jake Biesinger
Graduate Student
Xie Lab, UC Irvine
(949) 231-7587



On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Angie Hinrichs <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Jake,
>
> Our models for conserved and nonconserved sites' substitution rates are
> estimated from bases that we were able to align across species, so right
> there is a big source of bias towards bases that have not diverged beyond
> recognition.  The "four-fold degenerate positions" subst/site must have been
> estimated by a different method from the trees that we feed into phastCons.
>
> BTW If you would like to see the "makedoc", the file is
> kent/src/hg/makeDb/doc/dm2.txt in our source tree (
> http://hgdownload.cse.ucsc.edu/admin/jksrc.zip or see
> http://genome.ucsc.edu/admin/cvs.html if you use CVS), and has all the
> gory detail of how we generated the track.  Search for the "PHASTCONS 15WAY"
> section.
>
> I hope that helps, and please let us know at [email protected] if you
> have more questions.  That said, Adam Siepel (at Cornell now) created the
> estimation methodology behind our conservation scores, so if you really want
> to get into the finer points of the statistical basis for the estimates,
> he's the best source.
>
> Angie
>
>
> ----- "Jacob Biesinger" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > From: "Jacob Biesinger" <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:39:52 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> > Subject: [Genome] Drosophila 15 way phylogeny?
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I've pulled up an old thread talking about the Drosophila 15-way multiz
> > phylogeny at
> > https://lists.soe.ucsc.edu/pipermail/genome/2007-January/012530.html
> >
> > I see the conserved and non-conserved posterior estimates, and the prior
> > estimate from the "makedoc:"
> >
> > >* This is from our makedoc for the 15way Conservation:
> > *>*
> > *>* #TREE:
> > *>*
> >
> (((((((((dm2:0.032478,(droSim1:0.017650,droSec1:0.015740):0.017736):0.026088,(droYak2:0.058116,droEre2:0.055952):0.031922):0.084953,droAna3:0.218988):0.051563,(dp4:0.013624,droPer1:0.015374):0.210705):0.046101,droWil1:0.292357):0.019351,((droVir3:0.109131,droMoj3:0.142623):0.047595,droGri2:0.154583):0.189999):0.113599,anoGam1:0.357817):0.092848,apiMel2:0.386309):0.169225,triCas2:0.169225);
> > *>*
> > *
> >
> > So this is the tree used as a prior.  Although the overall topology is
> > similar to what I've seen before (i.e.,
> >
> http://web.archive.org/web/20080413030437/http://rana.lbl.gov/~dan/trees.html<http://web.archive.org/web/20080413030437/http://rana.lbl.gov/%7Edan/trees.html>
> )
> > I'm a bit confused because the total branch length for the tree is only ~
> > 3.14.  According to the original 12 drosophila sequencing paper, the
> branch
> > length estimated for four-fold degenerate positions was ~4.5 for the 12
> > drosophilids alone.  In this prior tree, the branch length for the
> > drosophilids are only ~1.85.  Where exactly is this phylogeny coming
> > from?
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Jake Biesinger
> > Graduate Student
> > UC Irvine
> > (949) 231-7587
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