Hello Kyle,

This previously answered mailing list covers a bit more than you are 
asking (and some of which you clearly already know) but should cover 
your questions:

https://lists.soe.ucsc.edu/pipermail/genome/2009-September/020019.html

For a more concise introduction to locType see this previous reply:

https://lists.soe.ucsc.edu/pipermail/genome/2006-August/011559.html

Note that the second answer unfortunately doesn't say much about the 
range* classes, which often are red flags for dbSNP's mapping and are 
now reported as exceptions.

Best regards,

Pauline Fujita
UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group
http://genome.ucsc.edu


On 4/18/12 9:30 AM, Chang, Kyle wrote:
> Thanks Vanessa. That was really helpful.
>
> How do I tell if something is insertion or deletion? Its obvious when a 
> "class" is "deletion" or "insertion". However, it's a bit ambiguous in other 
> classes.
> 1) What about in-del? Are the coordinates represented as deletions or 
> insertion?
> 2) what about non-indel classes, such as microsatelite, mixed and mnp, they 
> have locTypes of rangeInsertion/rangeDeletion. Do I interpret those 
> coordinates like deletions and insertions?
>
> Here is all possible combination of 'class' and 'loctype' in a dbsnp file.
> class    locType
> deletion    exact
> deletion    range
> in-del    between
> in-del    exact
> in-del    range
> in-del    rangeDeletion
> in-del    rangeInsertion
> in-del    rangeSubstitution
> insertion    between
> insertion    exact
> insertion    range
> microsatellite    between
> microsatellite    exact
> microsatellite    range
> microsatellite    rangeInsertion
> mixed    between
> mixed    exact
> mixed    range
> mixed    rangeDeletion
> mnp    between
> mnp    exact
> mnp    range
> mnp    rangeDeletion
> mnp    rangeInsertion
> mnp    rangeSubstitution
> named    between
> named    exact
> named    range
> named    rangeDeletion
> named    rangeInsertion
> single    between
> single    exact
> single    range
> single    rangeDeletion
> single    rangeInsertion
> single    rangeSubstitution
>
> Kyle
>
> On 4/17/12 6:29 PM, "Vanessa Kirkup Swing"<[email protected]>  wrote:
>
> Hi Kyle,
>
> Please see the answers below:
>
>
> 1) if start position is actually the 1st deleted base or the base before the 
> start of the deletion.
>
> With deletions, chromStart is the first deleted base which is not like the 
> VCF format .
>
> 2) In the case of insertion, is start position is 1bp before the actual 
> insertion event.
>
> For insertions, note that when you add 1 to chromStart, chromStart becomes 1 
> greater than chromEnd. So chromStart is the first base after the insertion 
> and chromEnd is the last base before the insertion. This is kind of 
> confusing, but in the end, the coordinate math for the length in reference 
> bases is 0.
>
> If you have further questions, please contact the list: [email protected].
>
> Vanessa Kirkup Swing
> UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chang, Kyle<[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Genome] How are ucsc dbsnp indel positions reported
> To: Vanessa Kirkup Swing<[email protected]>
> Cc: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, "Kakkar, 
> Nipun"<[email protected]>
>
>
> Right I understand that the positions are all 0-based, and I need to add 1 to 
> get the same start coordinate as the genome browser.
>
> What I want to know is 1) if start position is actually the 1st deleted base 
> or the base before the start of the deletion.
> 2) In the case of insertion, is start position is 1bp before the actual 
> insertion event.
>
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
> On 4/17/12 3:48 PM, "Vanessa Kirkup 
> Swing"<[email protected]<http://[email protected]>  >  wrote:
>
> Hi Kyle,
>
> Please see this FAQ on our coordinate system:
>
> http://genome.ucsc.edu/FAQ/FAQtracks.html#tracks1
>
>
> I hope that clarifies things for you. If you have further questions, please 
> email the list: [email protected]<http://[email protected]>  .
>
> Vanessa Kirkup Swing
> UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chang, Kyle<[email protected]<http://[email protected]>  >
> Date: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM
> Subject: [Genome] How are ucsc dbsnp indel positions reported
> To: "[email protected]<http://[email protected]>  
> "<[email protected]<http://[email protected]>  >
> Cc: "Kakkar, Nipun"<[email protected]<http://[email protected]>  >
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a question on how indel coordinates are reported in dbsnp tables.
>
> Here is a deletion record in dbsnp 135. Is 'start' always the 1st deleted
> base or is it like the vcf format which the start is always 1bp before 1st
> deleted base?
>
> E.g.
> 131    chr1    61341695    61341699    rs146746778    0    +    TTTA    TTTA
> -/TTTA    genomic    deletion
>
> Fo insertion, is 'start' reported as 1bp before insertion? So in this case,
> I imagine there's a CA insertion between 92536832 92536833 in 0-base
> coordinates.
>
> E.g.
> 161    chr1    92536832    92536832    rs72159935    0    +    -    -
> -/CA    genomic    insertion
>
> Best,
> Kyle
>
>
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