On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:49:10PM -0800, Jason Rhinelander wrote:
> I haven't seen any nastiness in this thread, but I have to agree to an
> extent with C. Brewer's comments. If you are using a gentoo.org e-mail
> address, you are obviously a dev, and are acting on behalf of Gentoo
> itself - regardless of whether or not you preface you comment with
> "These opinions are my own, not (necessarily) those of Gentoo." As a
> developer, your opinions are a large part of what makes up Gentoo, and
> so _do_ reflect on Gentoo as a whole. It seems being a developer should
> carry some responsibility with it, without place for a "I only act like
> a dev when I feel like it" attitude.
>
> On the other hand, I don't mean to point any fingers in this specific
> instance especially not at Jon, who IMHO represents Gentoo well - but
> there _are_ some devs out there who on occasion through bickering and
> nasty remarks give _all_ Gentoo devs, and Gentoo itself, a bad name.
> For most of us, it doesn't make the slightest difference whether or not
> you add a "these are my own opinions" disclaimer. You're still a Gentoo
> developer making a comment. A meaningless disclaimer doesn't change
> that.
A good number of the devs don't even have any real business working experience.
I'd tend to say that for most devs, this is likely the first time they've
worked with more than 20 people. We are all learning a lot here, and I'm
pretty certain we all have bad days. I'd say if you think somebody gets too out
of line you should contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just my .02, but I think holding devs to some higher standards is going to
cause one of two things.
a. devs will (like was said by someone else) start to move more discussions
back to -core. Users don't want this, and I'm sure most devs don't
either.
b. either ignore, or at best just not respond to anything on -dev any longer.
I try not to respond to anything on this list because I'm young, short
tempered, and don't handle criticism very well. That's unfotunate
because I've probably got some knowledge to share, but I'm too scared
to reply to anything for fear that somebody is going to see @gentoo.org
and get the impression that all Gentoo devs are a bunch of short-
tempered individuals who have no right running their distribution. I
also worry about the fact that a few people have picked up on the fact
that I was elected as a manager, and that looks even worse when a
decision maker has as many shortcomings as I do.
Like I said my $0.02, and I'm pretty sure that's not inflammatory enough that I
feel comfortable sending this from my @gentoo.org address
--Iggy
>
>
> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 22:40, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can put a "Opinions are my own and not those of Gentoo Linux or any
> > > > other entity unless stated otherwise" disclaimer in my sig like I do on
> > > > the forums if it's necessary.
> > >
> > > Being not the first time I've heard something along these lines, forgive me if
> > > I am slightly skeptical. Opinions are your own, regardless of if they
> > > coincide with Gentoo's. But as a person who is entitled to any opinion, nasty
> > > or otherwise, while yet still at least partly responsible for steering the
> > > distibution... where does the line get drawn? Do we take nasty responses as
> > > merely personal opinion until a required number of devs have a similar view
> > > on it, and then it's official?
> >
> > I'd like to think I'm frank about things rather than an asshole about
> > things, in any case.
> > ("But I thought you were Jon...")
> >
> > In all seriousness, I haven't seen anyone say anything especially
> > inflammatory.
>
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