On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 07:40 -0400, Kari Hazzard wrote: > On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? > > So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer is > more constricting and gives us less freedom--That's not the Gentoo way.
Start building... > "If the tool forces the user to do things a particular way, then the tool is > working against, rather than for, the user. We have all experienced > situations where tools seem to be imposing their respective wills on us. This > is backwards, and contrary to the Gentoo philosophy." - Daniel Robbins That's nice. Nobody is forcing you to use the Installer. Nobody is forcing you to even use Gentoo release media to do your installations. Your "point" here is a complete non-point. You're completely welcome to take the minimal CD, a stage3 tarball, and wget and build your own Universal CD. You're also more than welcome to fire up catalyst and build a Universal CD yourself. What you are *not* welcome to do is try to tell me how I'm going to spend the time that I volunteer to Gentoo. Now, if you would like to hire me to build a Universal CD, then contact me and we can discuss my compensation. Otherwise, I have more important things (to me) to spend my time doing. > > See, what *you* seem to be missing is that we're trying to provide a > > better environment for our users. The LiveCD is *not* just an > > installation medium anymore. It is a full-fledged Gentoo environment. > > It can be used for showcasing Gentoo, as well as system recovery *and* > > installation. > > There's a thing called self-reference criteria. It's anathema in marketing. > If > you think you know what is best for your users, you will all of your users > and thus most of your employees. Your users know what is best for them, *not* > you, as you are not a user (whether you have it installed on your desktop > notwithstanding you are *not* a user). If your users still want a Universal > LiveCD, then the onus is on Gentoo to provide one. I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. Release Engineering has a constant problem of not having enough help. Now some people want to try to tell us that we need to do more work just because they don't like a little change. Well guess what, never going to happen. It's pretty simple. So long as we have limited resources, we're going to spend our limited time on what *we* want to spend time doing. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation
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