On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:17:56 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, again, since you are participating as a key member in an official > Gentoo project, which is a developer-only privilege
Why is it a developer-only privilege? You just made that up. > and should be removed from PMS. That's not your decision to make. That's up to the person in charge of PMS, and somehow I suspect you're going to have to come up with a much better non-circular argument in order to convince him... I also like how you're constantly coming up with new excuses for trying to stop me from working on a project of whose purpose you were not even aware when you started doing it. Perhaps next you could start complaining that I was partly responsible for the acronym and state that all Gentoo projects must have a non-amusing name -- no-one's tried that line yet! > You really are making my point - you have a really sweet gig in that > you get to act as a Gentoo developer Acting as a Gentoo developer? You mean going around saying "ooh! ooh! I'm a Gentoo developer"? > Yet even those who are worthy of being called Gentoo developers don't > enjoy the privileges that you are currently enjoying. That's their own fault... You'll also note that I'm far from the only person who's chosen to take this route... > > I was kicked for suggesting [snip] > > I don't care why you were kicked; the issue at hand is that you *were* > kicked, and you currently *are* kicked, and as long as you *are* > kicked, you aren't allowed to participate in certain things. Those things would be -core and, uh, nothing else... There's never been any requirement that people contributing to Gentoo be Gentoo developers. > Gentoo is only going to be fun and productive again if we: > > 1) maintain a courteous and professional atmosphere > 2) focus on good, transparent project management and collaboration > 3) deliver cool technologies to Gentoo users > > AND IN THAT ORDER ONLY, which is the only order that works long-term. > It makes no sense to try to do this in reverse order. It does not > work. 3 requires 2 and 2 requires 1. Right now these three pillars are > being treated as mutually exclusive goals which is absolutely > ridiculous and wrong, where we accept failure in point 1 in the hope > of achieving 3. Which sounds very nice, but it's blatantly untrue. I point you to eselect, the devmanual and Paludis as perfect examples to the contrary, and gentoo-config and Zynot's xbuilds as an example of what happens when design and early development is opened up to too many people. As for professional -- in a professional environment, anyone jumping in and badmouthing a project when they don't even know what that project is would have been fired a long time ago. And courteous -- it's generally considered courteous to fact check and do some basic research before wasting other people's time. You're also assuming that Gentoo is about fun -- nothing wrong with that, but having fun does not give you or anyone else the right to break the tree or screw up users' systems. Fun as a primary goal is extremely unprofessional and inappropriate for projects where the impact of breakages is so high. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/
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