On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:12:17 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have not implemented any policy at the instruction of anyone. > > We have not implemented any policy under the threat of removal of > services. I'm pleased to hear that. To be honest I assumed that was exactly what had happened, as it would reasonably explain the council's panicked response. Being a pragmatist it would seem that obeying a sponsor in that situation would be the only option available to the council in the short term. > There was a lot of ambiguity, and it was done on purpose. Nearly > every one of our sponsors have mentioned disapproval in the constant > bad press Gentoo has been getting. Pretty much anything else they > said was in confidence, but at no point did anyone claim that any > policy should be made/updated/whatever or some action would/wouldn't > be taken. Instead, the Council decided to take action *on our own* > based on what we perceived to be a possible threat to our continued > valued relationships with *all* of our sponsors. I don't really want to dissect your email line by line, but I feel I would struggle to think of anything a sponsor could say to the council that they felt they couldn't say to the rest of us. I'm happy however to be kept in my current state of ignorance, as it certainly would not be appropriate for any council member to reveal information or documents given to them, in confidence, to anyone else. > Then you probably should have talked to me, huh? If something was > spoken in confidence to the Council, it would mean all of us. > > Quite frankly, if you're going to try to use something that I said as > some form of "proof" of something and it is ambiguous, you could at > least have the courtesy to contact me. Well, the last time I spoke to you was about your behaviour towards jaervosz, and you said I "was reading too much into" what you had written, that you didn't represent the council, posting on gentoo-dev made you sick, that my responses to you were partly responsible for fostering a "culture of mistrust and hostility within gentoo" and that you were "wasting ... everyone's time trying to ... rectify [your] shortcomings." And then you announced that you were not going to post on that thread anymore. Do you think that made you approachable, by me, on this matter? > There's no conspiracy. Nobody told us to do anything, other than the > PR person, whose advice was requested by us. Anything else is > bullshit or conjecture. While I still don't understand your reasoning in making an intentionally ambiguous statement about the council's motives, I also don't really care to understand. Assuming you are speaking on behalf of the council in this instance, I'm happy to accept that your ongoing implementation of the CoC is an honest mistake, and not one forced upon you as the result of some ultimatum, as I inferred from your conversation with tove. Your reply has certainly allayed the specific fears I expressed in my previous email, but it looks like you haven't convinced everyone yet: http://tsunam.org/2007/03/26/destoying-things-again/. Regards, -- Richard Brown
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