George Prowse wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 >> Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>>> Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative >>>> of the user base in general. >>> So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too? >> >> Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not see >> the question or not respond. Those that both see the question and take >> time to respond are highly atypical. > > If you were clever enough and wanted the largest amount of answers you > would put the questions around ever communication channel gentoo has, > you would then get the opinions of the majority of users.
That is why I asked for a link to be placed here in the mailing list. I don't go to the forums very often, unless I have a problem and am trying to find a fix before asking on Gentoo user. If you or someone placed a link here then more people would be represented. There will never be a poll that all Gentoo users will vote in and for those that don't vote, they just have to deal with the leaders that others pick. That is the price for not voting for someone else. > < SNIP > >> >>> as to what we the users want and what direction we want Gentoo to go >>> in. >> >> I want guaranteed total stability, instantly available updates, >> guaranteed backwards compatibility, the ability to install any package >> from source using my configuration of choice in under fifteen seconds >> and a herd of nubile bisexual redheads. Can Gentoo deliver that? > > Irrelevant conclusion I agree but it is a good suggestion. I am recently single. ;-) Can I file a bug for a new lady friend? It can't be any worse than the liar I just got rid of. >> >>> It's no different than elections here in the US, people gripe but >>> most of the gripers don't vote. >> >> Do you really think it would make any difference if they did? All it >> would do is lend credibility to the process, and provide people with >> the argument "well you voted so you agree to accept the decision of >> the majority". >> > It would make a difference in the relations between users and developers. > > Being a user yourself, why are you so against yourself having a say? Actually, sometimes the minority is sometimes right. I have seen posts from you, Ciaran, that I completely agree with even when everybody else, or most everybody else, thinks you are wrong. A lot of the time I see your point but really don't have the knowledge of the subject to agree or disagree publicly. So, sometimes it's not the number that matters. I think it is having a LARGE number of people participating that matters and a good group of people to weigh all the options and find the best solution. Look at how the proctors thing turned out. How many people, I seem to recall you being against it too Ciaran, were against that and it turned out they were right. Proctors are gone, the COC is somewhere and they are trying to find a better answer. Now the new deal is meeting the same resistance just like the proctors and I suspect it will fail too. Gentoo needs to listen to the people. Some people need to grow thicker skin and not take offense so easily and some need to know when not to say anything and just let a subject drop. Something needs to improve and since I am not in the loop, I really have no idea what that change needs to be. I just know that taking the users out of it is not the way to go. It makes Mandrake look like a better option then and I'm sure a lot of others will find their solution elsewhere. My $0.02 worth. Dale :-) :-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
