On 2010.04.10 15:00, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: > > As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take > > action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer > to > act > > as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time > to > > whatever I see worthy for Gentoo as whole like the web page > redesign. > > Basically you tell me how many hours you have and I'll give you > stuff to > > work on. It might not be glorious at times like cleaning up a piece > of > > documentation but why not spend an hour a week on something that > > benefits the project? If people are interested, I'll work out the > details. > > > > Regards, > > Petteri > That's not a good reaction from your side. Independent projects can > handle the > incoming manpower themselves. > [snip] > -- > Markos Chandras (hwoarang) > Gentoo Linux Developer > Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org >
There are two valuable non conflicting ideas here. The second one is more obvious, so I'll address that first an show how it fits with the other. "Independent projects" Gentoo is an assemblage of independent projects all pretty much doing their own thing ... the council exists to "handle global issues" [glep39] This implies that the council works on things brought to its attention, further its purpose is not to 'lead' (whatever that might mean), rather its the glue that holds the independent projects together when they can't resolve things for themselves. The problem with this structure is that the independent projects have gaps/overlaps between them. Overlaps normally indicate wasted effort, gaps indicate something missing that does not fit into the existing projects (at least, as far as the projects are concerned). The result is that the gaps are not addressed. Petteri, writes "I offer to take action". That's an offer from an individual Gentoo developer, not on behalf of the council. It doesn't matter how Petteri came to form his view that a lot of small tasks can make Gentoo better for being organised. It need not encroach on the independent projects at all. Gentoo has got to the social complexity now that it needs some middle management. The council is not permitted to provide that and Petteri has offered to try. Its really no different to putting up a project page and starting a new project. This could be a new way to get non-devs involved too. Give them a small well defined package of work to contribute ... I see it in a positive light but I don't think I can offer any time at the moment. -- Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods trustees
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