On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Dale <[email protected]> wrote: > Zac Medico wrote: >> >> On 11/14/2011 09:38 AM, Dale wrote: >>> >>> As I type: >>> >>> emerge should show build output by default (unless --quiet-build=y) 42% >>> >>> So far that's the winner. As I posted earlier, people expect things to >>> work like they have always worked. I say that as a user. >> >> As I've explained in my post to that forum thread [1], you have to >> factor in the "silent majority" that welcomes the change and does not >> express it publicly. A forumor mailing list thread tends to attract a >> "vocal minority", which tends to bias the discussion (or voting results) >> in way that does not give a fair statistical representation of the >> gentoo population as a whole (it excludes the "silent majority"). It's >> part of human nature that those who are displeased with the changed more >> likely to speak up than those who welcome the change. >> >> [1] >> >> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6871718.html?sid=960ebd269384029c21e708d8dfa745ef#6871718 > > The same could be said if the poll was going the other way as well. If the > results are not going to be used or just going to be explained away, then > why have the poll to begin with? I don't think you started the poll but > just saying. . .
A common misconception is that input is being ignored because it did not affect the results as expected. I don't expect the poll's current results to change Zac's mind (certainly not at the 60 / 40 it is currently at; that is not a compelling story at all.) You can say that the 'majority wins' on the poll; but the reality of the situation is that only a subset of users actually use the forums and only a tiny subset of forums users actually voted thus far (130 votes total at my reading.) The story is not a compelling one; if it was 80 / 20 or something more obvious and there were thousands of voters you might be able to draw a more powerful conclusion from the poll; as it stands any conclusion drawn are weak at best. > > Again, as a loooooong time user, I expect things to remain like they are > unless that is going to break something or is a must change with no other > option. That does happen from time to time but this is not one of those > times. I shouldn't have to go override settings just to keep it like it > was. > > All this said, if my opinion doesn't matter, that's fine. I changed my > make.conf already. So now your change doesn't affect me. It just may > confuse the heck out of others that don't subscribe here and know about the > change. That is the biggest reason I subscribed here a long time ago. > Changes pop up that I wasn't expecting and I tend to like to see things > coming even if it is a freight train. ;-) This gives me time to undo some > things or at least prepare for them. Your opinion does matter; just not enough to change the behavior ;) -A > > Later. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > -- > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how > you interpreted my words! > > >
