On 12/04/2016 06:58 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM, A. Wilcox <awil...@adelielinux.org> wrote: >> Roadmap >> - ------- >> >> Since the shell environment is flexible, this change can be >> implemented almost immediately; the defaults specified in the Gentoo >> base profile ensure that at worst nothing will immediately change. As >> forks, derivatives, and other organisations change the environment >> variables in their profiles or ``make.conf`` files, all updated >> ebuilds will immediately reflect the changes. >> >> During this, the variables can be added to the EAPI=7 specification, >> and may eventually be added to PMS §11.1. > > It's not clear to me why this should be defined in PMS, especially if > this is going to be a profile variable in make.defaults. > > I think we would only need to add it to PMS if you need to package > manager to compute the value based on the running system. Is that what > you had in mind here? If so, you will need to include that algorithm > in your patch. > How would we ensure (or encourage) that other distros based on Gentoo would follow this practice? Adding things to PMS isn't a panacea, sure, but from what I can tell it seems the goal here is to allow distros based on us to correctly *show* that without changing hundreds of lines in the package tree. Maybe that's outside of PMS; if so, where does this belong?
Of course, this solution requires action/patching on our behalf as well, but it seems like a long-term goal that, when completed, may be suitable for addition in some sort of standard document, even if it's a wiki page on how to roll your own distro based on us. It didn't seem to me that there was any intention to automatically guess which distro it is; the people in charge of each distro's package tree should be setting those variables to the correct value, and it should be accessible throughout the tree(s). As OP mentioned, at worst it does nothing until it 'spreads' throughout the tree. The end result is anyone could fork us, change DISTRO and DISTRO_BUG_URL, and instantly have a starting point for their new distro. I'm not aware of any other distro that would make forking or spinning off _this_ easy. That could turn into renewed interest in Gentoo or possibly even better inter-distro relations, since bugs would be going to the correct places. To OP: This idea looks good to me; do you have any proofs of concept for use in common places like ebuilds, metadata.xml (if you intend for it to be used there), etc? If we had a more visual idea of how it worked, maybe more people would understand and have an idea of where to put it if it doesn't fit in with PMS's scope. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6
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