On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people
>> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private.  I'm not sure
>> which is the lesser evil but do we really want a community where we
>> tolerate absolutely any kind of abuse of other members?
> We do not, but that presumes actual abuse has been demonstrated.
> "spamming the mailing list", where the posts are regarding Gentoo, isn't
> automatically abuse because some people are uncomfortable about the
> information being presented, or they disagree with it.

We have had cases where people who were the subject of comrel
complaints about harassment go on to just post endlessly on mailing
lists, sometimes professing that they have no reason why comrel booted
them (despite evidence to the contrary existing).  It just leads to a
one-sided discussion because we don't defend Gentoo's reputation in
these cases so instead our lists just get used to smear us.

I don't have any issue with discussion of facts, or even the offering
of opinion, but the problem is that in these sorts of situations one
side presents their side of the story and nobody is free to counter
with the other side because of policy (and a reasonable policy at
that).  And so the allegations just go unchallenged and are repeatedly
posted.  What value does this add?  At best it misleads people into
thinking that things like comrel actions are unfounded, and drives
away potential contributors.

If these were discussions about policy in the abstract and not in the
specific then there wouldn't be as much difficulty (indeed, this is
the form our disagreement is taking right now).  We can certainly have
a free conversation about whether somebody who sexually harasses
another developer ought to be booted or not.  The problem comes in
when somebody has been the subject of a decision made based on their
individual behavior - there is no way to have a reasonable public
conversation about this.

IMO discussions about individual comrel/etc decisions simply should
not be considered on-topic for our lists.


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