Hi,

>
> I have often considered and even tried a couple of times to setup a
> hardened box however I get confused between all the different options
> and all the different implications. What with Selinux Grsecurity 1/2
> RSBAC PIE etc. etc.
>
>

yeah - same here. although i am interested and wouldn't even mind a small 
performance hit i have not had the guts to follow through...

the craziest thing is, that i seem to get a hardened toolchain built by 
default - without using the hardened profile

marsupilami ~ # gcc-config -l
 [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6 *
 [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6-hardened
 [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6-hardenednopie
 [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6-hardenednopiessp
 [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6-hardenednossp
 [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4
 [7] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardened
 [8] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopie
 [9] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopiessp
 [10] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednossp

so whats the difference?

somewhere it says that on x86 the performance penalty for PIE is 
considerable... guess i have to get some AMD64 boxes...

perhaps some hardened and server people should get together and write a 
short overview... i am in!

regards
Thilo

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