Steven Susbauer wrote:
Would Vanilla steps require Gentoo making some decisions for the user? Which kernel to use, how to build it, which boot loader and cron daemon, which logger, etc.... wouldn't that ruin the whole "Gentoo is all about choices" routine?
I was comparing the installation instructions for Gentoo with that of other Linuxes. I currently have Libranet, SuSE, two KNOPPIXes, UBUNTU, installed and of course some decisions, such as you mention, were needed but not to the extent that Gentoo requires. They didn't have a 100 page set of microinstructions and rhetoric All I had was two sheets of paper for each of these distros.. I'm not claiming that Gentoo can be installed without requiring ANY decisions but surely,
the installation of a basic workable Gentoo that then could tailored to whatever you want, could be made as simple as other Linux distros, couldn't it?
I guess I must be spoiled by the ease with which I've installed other Linuxes and I was annoyed by the need to make so many decisions for the installation of Gentoo.. I'm not an expert by any means but I've had very little difficulty making decisions and loading up my hard drives with multiple distros like Libranet, SuSE, KNOPPIX (2), and UBUNTU in addition to two MS Windows so when I tried to add Gentoo and discovered that it requires knowledge or experience that I don't have, I blamed my problems on the way the instructions are written
A1ex wrote:
A1ex wrote:
I'm trying to install Gentoo from a UniversalCD using the instructions found atIt's not just a matter of skipping section 5c if you don't need networking.. Other sections include diversions
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.3/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=5
and I must say the instructions could use some editing.
The instructions in section 5 for installing from the UniversalCD are so intertangled
with those for downloading that it's very difficult to follow them. There are sections that
are labelled for CD installation but they seem to bump into download instructions.
I prefer to download and install packages after I have a basic Linux system installed.and
working.
I'm sure it would help others like me who aren't experts if the two methods
were separated into two distinct sections that don't switch back and forth
between the CD and download procedures.
Are instructions available that describe how to do everything from CD without
sliding into the download procedure?.
alex
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toward networking.and other options that aren't needed for a basic gentoo installation.
The theme of the instructions is about allowing you to choose options during the installation.
Well, what about an option where you can do a default installation from the start where all you'd
need to do is set the partitions just to get a basic gentoo installed and working and then do the customizing? What's the advantage of requiring you to make critical decisions during installation where a poor choice can
result in a defective installation? And what is so good about getting on line during installation to get the latest
version of something when it can be done after gentoo is installed?
Someone is going to say you can do a basic installation from the instructions as they are now and it's just a
matter of skipping certain steps.. No one is disputing that.
So, how about a list of all the steps that can be skipped to install a basic gentoo or better yet, instructions that
skip those steps and don't involve getting online to achieve the same result? Even better, an option for a default
installation, minus customizing options except partitioning, for a plain vanilla gentoo.
alex
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.
So, I guess the thing to do is use the instructions as a model and filter out the sections that I don't or can't use to create a set of instructions that better suits my needs . .
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