Hi, On Wednesday 06 April 2005 21:01, Robert G. Hays wrote: > OK, *thats* the focusing of the comment that I mentioned. Had that been > there in the first place, I wouldn't'a jumped. > > Still no reason not to have nice tools though, for those making the > transition... could even 'waste'(not!) time telling un Gentoo-virgins > whatinhell is actually being done, to help us learn. And I just might > attack creating that tool myself in a couple'a months when I get back > caught up; be a good way to get into Gentoo-specific programming... > Anybody want to volunteer to help making it better & more complete by > adding the stuff for hardware that I don't have access to? > Certainly at least I'll write a complete howto-type doco. >
when I tried sax2 the last time, I got an awful, alsmost non working xorg.conf, that needed major corrections/tweaking/cleanups the last time I used xorgconfig, I got an awfull, working xorg.conf, that only needed minor tweaks and cleanups. So from my point of view, the text-based xf86config/xorgconfig is much easier to use and gives better results, than sax2. And the problem with nice tools is, that you learn absolut nothing about the underlying things. So, a gentoo-virgin should jump into the cold water at the beginning, when thinks are easy to understand, and not when the system is more or less up and running, and the hard to understand problems emerge. Without some knowledge you are dead in the water - and nice tools which suddenly fail and or are not able to cope with it only make it worse. And tools narrow your view. There are real yast masters out there, who can do incredible things with SuSE as long, as they have yast. Or linuxconf gurus. But what, when you do not have this tools? Some of these gurus are getting very pale at that thought. Gentoo is not for newbies, nor for people who want to hide everything, that is why I send asking newbies to SuSE (which is IMHO a nice base to start from), or people, who just want something lean to slackware, and 'please don't bother me with technicallities like - where the shutdown button is'-people back to windows ... -- [email protected] mailing list
