Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:31 on Monday 15 November 2010, Grant
Edwards did opine thusly:
On 2010-11-14, Mick<[email protected]> wrote:
Finally, if xorg-server-1.8 is around the corner to be stabilised I
suggest that you unmask it and use the xorg.conf file that we all
know and love. :-)
Using xorg.conf with 1.7 is simple enough (it's what I do on all my
other machines). That's why I don't understand why the Gentoo
developers decided to use HAL by default when it seems to be widely
acknowledged to be such a disaster.
The Gentoo devs made no such decision.
Upstream did.
Gentoo closely tracks upstream, unless upstream is completely broken. HAL
might be a crock of chit, but it does not render X broken and not usable.
Actually, it rendered mine broken and not usable. If upstream walks off
the edge of a cliff, does Gentoo follow upstream then? What would have
been nice is if Gentoo would have at least made it something that the
user has to chose to do pro-actively and not the default. If they had
done that, for say six months or more, then the devs would have been
able to see the disaster and left it off by default. Actually, they may
could have even seen that it wasn't going to last at all and then not
ever have a user using it unless they chose too and enabled it
themselves. It's not like hal lasted for many years as a "stable" project.
I generally trust the devs. I did when I let hal take over the config
of X since it was the new way of doing things. You think I feel the
same way now? To give you a hint, I haven't switched to polkit or
whatever it is being called now. I think the reason is obvious. I
don't have the same amount of trust as I did before. They followed
upstream with hal and left me in a pickle. I haven't forgotten that yet
and won't for a long time. I'll switch when I am reasonably sure it is
safe to do so. That information will come from folks that are users
tho, not devs. If a lot of users don't like it or have trouble with it,
I won't switch. The key is the users this time. You, Alan, being one
of them. You got more trust with me than the devs do. Why, I don't
recall you guiding me off the cliff.
I didn't mention the KDE4 mess on purpose. KDE didn't leave Gentoo with
a option since it stopped support for it. Different situation there.
Very little choices to pick from.
Dale
:-) :-)
