On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > > > > > No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? > > > > > Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight ship on my machine. I > > > > currently have gnumeric and AbiWord and libreoffice-bin running uncer > > icewm. In order to get "emerge -p app-office/kword" to actually start, > > I had to... > > > > !) remove "sys-apps/dbus" from /etc/portage/package.mask > > > > 2) add the following to /etc/portage/package.use > > > > x11-libs/qt-sql qt3support > > x11-libs/qt-core qt3support ssl exceptions > > x11-libs/qt-gui qt3support accessibility dbus > > x11-libs/qt-qt3support accessibility kde > > x11-libs/qt-svg accessibility > > x11-libs/qt-opengl qt3support > > x11-libs/qt-webkit kde > > sys-block/parted device-mapper > > sys-fs/udev extras > > sys-auth/consolekit policykit > > x11-libs/qt-declarative qt3support > > > > 3) and here is the 390 megabytes of stuff to emerge... > > gebuild N ] dev-libs/libgpg-error-1.10 USE="-common-lisp -nls > > -static-libs" [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libical-0.43 > > [ebuild N ] dev-util/boost-build-1.42.0 USE="-examples -python" > > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sdparm-1.03 > > [ebuild N ] sys-power/pm-quirks-20100619 > > [ebuild N ] sys-block/eject-2.1.5-r2 USE="-nls" > > [ebuild N ] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.6.2 USE="(-aqua) > > (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix)" [ebuild N ] sys-apps/dbus-1.4.6 > > USE="X -debug -doc (-selinux) -static-libs -test" [ebuild N ] > > dev-cpp/eigen-2.0.13 USE="-debug -doc -examples" [ebuild N ] > > dev-libs/libassuan-2.0.1 USE="-static-libs" > > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-r1 USE="-authdaemond -berkdb > > -crypt -gdbm -java -kerberos -ldap -mysql -ntlm_unsupported_patch -pam > > -postgres -sample -sqlite -srp -ssl -urandom" [ebuild N ] > > dev-libs/libksba-1.2.0 USE="-static-libs" > > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.4.6 USE="-static-libs" > > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/pth-2.0.7-r2 USE="-debug" > > [ebuild N ] app-admin/eselect-boost-0.3 > > [ebuild NS ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.2-r2 [4.3-r1] > > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libpcre-8.12 USE="bzip2 (unicode) zlib -cxx > > -recursion-limit -static-libs" [ebuild N ] > > x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.2.1 USE="-static-libs" [ebuild N ] > > kde-base/kde-env-4.6.2 USE="(-aqua) (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix)" > > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 USE="-nls" > > [ebuild N ] dev-cpp/clucene-0.9.21b-r1 USE="threads -debug -doc > > -static-libs" [ebuild NS ] virtual/libusb-0 [1] > > [ebuild N ] virtual/eject-0 > > [ebuild N ] app-crypt/pinentry-0.8.0 USE="-caps -gtk -ncurses -qt4 > > -static" [ebuild N ] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.92 USE="-bash-completion > > -debug -doc -static-libs -test" [ebuild N ] app-crypt/gnupg-2.0.17 > > USE="bzip2 -adns -caps -doc -ldap -nls -openct -pcsc-lite (-selinux) > > -smartcard -static" [ebuild N ] dev-libs/boost-1.42.0-r2 > > USE="-debug -doc -eselect -icu -mpi -python -static-libs -test -tools" > > [ebuild N ] app-misc/strigi-0.7.1 USE="exif -clucene -dbus -debug > > -fam -hyperestraier -inotify (-log) -qt4 -test" [ebuild N ] > > sys-apps/acl-2.2.49 USE="(-nfs) -nls" > > [ebuild N ] sys-power/pm-utils-1.4.1 USE="-alsa -debug > > -networkmanager -ntp" VIDEO_CARDS="intel -radeon" [ebuild R ] > > sys-fs/udev-151-r4 USE="extras*" > > [ebuild N ] app-crypt/gpgme-1.3.0 USE="-common-lisp -pth" > > [ebuild N ] sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.73-r1 USE="(-clvm) (-cman) -lvm1 > > -readline (-selinux) -static" [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libatasmart-0.17 > > USE="-static-libs" > > [ebuild N ] sys-block/parted-2.3 USE="device-mapper -debug -nls > > -readline (-selinux)" [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1 > > USE="exceptions qt3support ssl (-aqua) -debug -glib -iconv -jit > > -optimized-qmake -pch -private-headers" [ebuild N ] > > x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 USE="qt3support (-aqua) -debug -exceptions > > (-firebird) -freetds -iconv -mysql -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite" > > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2 USE="(-aqua) -debug > > -exceptions -iconv -jit -pch -private-headers" [ebuild N ] > > x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2 USE="(-aqua) -debug -exceptions -iconv -pch" > > [ebuild N ] dev-util/automoc-0.9.88 > > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2 USE="(-aqua) -debug -exceptions > > -pch" [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2 USE="(-aqua) > > -debug -pch" [ebuild N ] dev-libs/soprano-2.6.0 USE="-clucene > > -dbus -debug -doc -raptor -redland -test -virtuoso" [ebuild N ] > > app-crypt/qca-2.0.3 USE="(-aqua) -debug -doc -examples" [ebuild N > > ] dev-libs/libattica-0.2.0 USE="-debug" > > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2 USE="accessibility dbus mng > > qt3support tiff (-aqua) -cups -debug -egl -exceptions -glib -gtkstyle > > -nas -nis -pch -private-headers -raster -trace -xinerama" [ebuild N > > ] x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2 USE="accessibility kde (-aqua) -debug > > -exceptions -pch -phonon" [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2 > > USE="accessibility (-aqua) -debug -exceptions -iconv -pch" [ebuild N > > ] x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2 USE="qt3support (-aqua) -debug -egl > > -exceptions -pch" [ebuild N ] media-libs/phonon-4.5.0 USE="(-aqua) > > -debug -gstreamer -pulseaudio -vlc -xine" [ebuild N ] > > dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt-0.6.2 USE="-debug -test" [ebuild N ] > > x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2 USE="kde (-aqua) -dbus -debug -exceptions > > -jit -pch" [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1 > > USE="qt3support (-aqua) -debug -exceptions -pch -private-headers > > -webkit" [ebuild N ] sys-auth/polkit-0.101-r1 USE="-debug -doc > > -examples -gtk (-introspection) -kde -nls -pam" [ebuild N ] > > sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.4 USE="policykit -debug -doc -pam -test" > > [ebuild N ] sys-power/upower-0.9.8 USE="-debug -doc > > (-introspection) -ios" [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.29 > > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus-1.29 > > [ebuild N ] sys-fs/udisks-1.0.2-r1 USE="-bash-completion -debug > > -doc -nls -remote-access" [ebuild N ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3 > > USE="bzip2 mmx opengl sse sse2 -3dnow -acl -alsa (-altivec) (-aqua) > > -bindist -debug -doc -fam -handbook -jpeg2k (-kdeenablefinal) > > (-kdeprefix) -kerberos -lzma -nls -openexr -policykit -semantic-desktop > > -spell -ssl -test -udev -zeroconf" [ebuild N ] > > app-office/koffice-data-2.3.3 USE="(-aqua) (-kdeenablefinal)" [ebuild > > N ] kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.2-r1 USE="(-aqua) -debug -handbook > > (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) -ldap -semantic-desktop -test" [ebuild > > N ] app-office/koffice-libs-2.3.3 USE="opengl (-aqua) -crypt -debug > > (-kdeenablefinal) -openexr -reports -test" [ebuild N ] > > app-office/kword-2.3.3 USE="(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) -wpd" > > For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us > it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? > I used to use a few "k" apps in the 3 days, they were small and > easily integrated into the system. Now kde is like it's own OS, > so they've basically eliminated their apps from consideration of > non-kde users. > > Not that it matters much to me, one of the strengths of gentoo > is how many ways there are to do a given task. > But there are quite a few kde zealots who seem to be completely > unaware of what we mean by "fast, light, standalone".
and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'? It seems - no. Because KDE itself might be huge. But once loaded the apps are pretty small - because they reuse code. kmail does not have its own html engine. It does not matter where you type your text etc pp. Overall KDE uses LESS ram then most 'lightweight' solutions. Because xterm&abiword&some odd pager&thunderbird don't look so good anymore. This gem is a couple of years old, but still a worthy read: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html Read it. Seriously. Oh - and you should spend some time on Alan's postings. He is not only a certified OLD FART, he has some serious first hand, real world experience that makes most of the other OLD FARTs on this list look like noobs.
