Am 30.09.2013 00:06, schrieb Walter Dnes:
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 06:10:46PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
>
>> From REDHATs or SuSEs perspective seperate /usr is not a problem.
>> Putting lvm/bluetooth/mdraid/whateverthefuckyoumightneed there was
>> and is not a problem too. Thanks to initrds&co.
>   And if I wanted to run bleeping Redhat Fedora, I'd run bleeping Redhat
> Fedora.  I want GNU/Linu-x, not GNOME/Lenna-x.

luckily nobody forces you to install gnome, systemd or pulseaudio.

You don't have to do anything unless you:
have /usr on a seperate partition
no initrd.

If you have no initrd: genkernel

it will create one for you. Very easy to use.

>
>> They are using them for AGES and it works fine.
>   * Loading firmware into the kernel worked fine for AGES, until Kay
>     Seivers broke udev... https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303
different story.

>   * Everybody's single-NIC machine came up with eth0 for AGES, until Kay
>     Seivers broke udev.  And calling the new setup "predictable" is
>     George Orwell 1984 doublespeak.  Let's see you walk up to an unknown
>     machine and "predict" what the NIC is going to come up as.
and you could predict with the old setup?
If think these new names are as stupid as it gets, but I had enough pain
in the past with multi-nic boxes shuffling eth0, eth1, ethn+1...
randomly on reboots. That was fun.

>
>   * Separate /usr worked fine for AGES, until... Do you see a pattern
>     developing here?
>
seperate /usr has stopped working fine AGES AGO. Just some setups were
lucky enough not to stumble over the wreckage and fall into the shards.

Only worse than breakage is silent breakage that seems to be ok. Until
the day where some minor and arcane change fucks you up.

I have to admit: I don't use init'thingies' - because I don't have to.
But back when I played around with different RAID setups I was prepared
to use one - because I am not stupid. If I want something to work that
needs an 'initthingie', I don't complain and bitch, I read up on
'initthingies'.

Besides, AFAIR Dale is the only one who had ever problems with
'initthingies' on this list. And Dale has a lot of problems with stuff
that works for everybody else.


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