Am Tue, 24 Jun 2014 06:09:12 -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org>:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Marc Joliet <mar...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Well, in general, a user of software is to me somebody who actually uses it, > > and doesn't merely have it installed, doing nothing. So since you don't > > use it, > > you... don't use it ;) . > > It actually isn't a dumb question. I didn't think so, and I gave the definition *I* use. Sorry if I implied otherwise! (My last sentence was in reference to Helmut writing "[...] I still don't use systemd as my init system.[...]", which I thought was a bit of a silly formulation, given his question :) .) > Up until now there shouldn't be > issues with having both installed, and selecting between them at boot > time. Apparently now we're starting to get diverging dependencies, so > your system won't work quite right if you boot the "wrong" init at > boot. Which is where my second paragraph came in, pointing out that - and I'm repeating myself here - that, to my understanding, it's not so much that upower needs systemd, it's that it expects systemd to take over functionality that upower used to provide via pm-utils (hibernation, etc.). So it's a *runtime* problem: if you boot with systemd, you should use plain upower, if not, it depends on whether you need the functionality provided by pm-utils (which only the user of a system can know). Again, this is what I gathered from the previous looong upower discussion. You *can* use the newer upower without systemd, but you'll be missing functionality it used to provide via pm-utils (which is pretty much what Tom Wijsman said in one message). HTH -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
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