On 2017-12-11 13:39, Mick wrote:
On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés
<[email protected]>
wrote:
> Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution
> to
> this thread;
Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. Of
course, I wouldn't dream of telling people how they should think, nor
would I deny anyone the right to be an activist.
> Enjoy your echo chamber.
Thank you for your contribution, Dr. Yes, we know you're a Dr. We know
it because:
Crikey! I didn't expect my question to trigger yet another thread of
'systemd
Vs freedom of choice (non-systemd)' arguments. Dr. Canek has been an
advocate
This is the nature of a mailing list ... ;-)
of systemd for years now and has posted his views on this topic more
than
once. He has tried hard to make gentoo users see the light in the
superiority
of systemd and put his arguments across. He has also done a lot of
development work to establish systemd in Gentoo. His views are
somewhat
parochial - only those who (can) code have an influence if not a right
to
determine the direction of travel - I paraphrase of course. There is
truth in
this and anyone can recognise that money can buy developer hours and
direct
their development effort.
The facts remain that RHL and their employees have shaped the Linux
eco-system
to suit their business interests; spinning predictably and reliably
thousands
of identical VMs in data centres. The MSWindows monolithic stack
architecture
is something they wanted/needed and this is what they developed.
The fact also remains that binary distros and other development
projects
decided to gravitate towards major development areas (cloud and
embedded
computing) where commercial interest and development demand has been
greater.
Lack of devs and maintainers especially for smaller distros means they
decided
to ride on the back of systemd and minimise their own development load.
Linux
IMHO there isn't a lack of devs and/or maintainers. To me the issue is
that they doesn't work as good together as they should. To less
compromises. To many forks. Thus, unfortunately, leads into more market
fragmentation. It is good to have a choice, but it is not good to have a
lot - to many - choices. And this is not limited to init systems.
exists on the desktop too, but this represents a really small
percentage of PC
users. Linux desktop users on Gentoo systems is an even smaller number
and I
am guessing of an increasingly advanced age demographic.
I am grateful that Gentoo has retained openrc and provides a choice for
those
of us who would prefer to not use systemd. I use systemd on a couple
of
systems out of necessity/convenience, but I would not like it on my PC
systems. If I wanted this opaque Just Works™ philosophy I would have
stayed
with MSWindows or AppleMac, both of which I have used for years and
frustrated
me to hell - well MSWindows definitely does. However, for the majority
of the
population these OS remain the best suited choice. So, I think we
should live
& let live, but as gentoo users at least try to influence gentoo to
retain a
freedom of choice most binary distros have walked away from.
Just my 2c's.
+1 in general ;-), even if I'm pretty sure some people will interpret
something different.
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