On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:55:54 -0400,
Dale wrote:
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> Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 9:49 PM Dale <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Then they created moderators with people to enforce some rules. It got
> >> better. Actually, a lot better.
> > That is actually really good to hear. The whole CoC/Proctors thing
> > has been a bit of a mess and incredibly contentious. It has also been
> > mostly inactive, in part because for the most part these threads have
> > actually done a pretty good job of moderating themselves. Maybe it is
> > because people fear moderation. Maybe it is because nobody really
> > wants to have to see us have to deal with it. Bugs get filed asking
> > for moderation, and maybe that is all it takes for the parties
> > involved to decide to cool things down.
> >
> > As much as some seem to think otherwise, the reality is that most of
> > the Proctors really don't like kicking that hornets nest. In any case
> > all Proctors actions are completely public in bugzilla so anybody can
> > see for themselves. If you don't see much it is because there isn't
> > actually much to see...
> >
>
> I admit, I don't monitor what they do much but I've seen a huge
> improvement. I moderated a political site for a few years. Still have
> access but health and life takes up a lot of time. I always referred to
> it as herding cats. You can herd up pretty much any animal, cows, pigs,
> sheep and the list goes on but herding cats is a tough thing to
> accomplish. After being a moderator that has to deal with things that
> can be opinion with no one in the right or wrong, I know first hand how
> difficult and thankless the job can be. Still, without it, it gets bad
> pretty fast. I didn't like doing timeouts, banning and such either.
> Thing is, when it needed doing, I did it. I was the lead moderator for
> a good long while.
>
> I think instead of dying, Gentoo is stronger even if it involves fewer
> people. Sure, there is packages that need some attention but if they
> are in demand, usually someone steps up and gives them the attention
> they need to get back up to date. I'm not sure why people keep thinking
> Gentoo is dying. Sometimes I think it is more about the difference
> between binary distros they are coming from and Gentoo being source
> based than Gentoo actually dying. When people consider switching to
> Gentoo, it's different from what they expect. They may need to research
> what Gentoo is first. Gentoo certainly doesn't hold a persons hand
> during the install or even after the install. Heck, I been around a
> long time and it doesn't hold my hand even today.
>
> Compared to the bad times, -dev is like heaven today. It was beyond
> words to describe during its worst days.
>
I am seeing a lot more unmaintained packages -- at least in the ones I
have -- than there used to be and bugs going unanswered probably
because of that. Not sure what to do about it, I don't have time to
get into doing this much, just keeping up with world updates is quite
time consuming all by itself.
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?
John Covici wb2una
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