On Samstag, 12. Januar 2008, Richard Marzan wrote: > On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 07:34 -0600, Dale wrote: > > Mick wrote: > > > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Jil Larner wrote: > > >> Well, it's like if I am opening my eyes. I never looked at what the > > >> foundation was supposed to do. For a couple of years I've been using > > >> gentoo, I never get any political announcement, maybe because I didn't > > >> look at the right place, or maybe there was no. I mean that except the > > >> Gentoo's Philosophy and the Gentoo's Social Contract, I didn't see > > >> politic, for my eyes were probably closed. > > >> It doesn't mean I didn't enjoyed gentoo, its power, its flexibility, > > >> its community. But I certainly missed something. There are so many > > >> ways to communicate (lists, IRC, boards, wikis, project pages, etc.) > > >> that I must admit I'm sometime lost. > > >> > > >> Today, I learn we're in trouble. Good. What trouble ? What's happening > > >> ? Why through the words of Daniel Robbins, I feel some fear ? I feel > > >> he foresees a dead end and offers an opportunity to change before it > > >> is too late. Once more, to quote Matrix, "the problem is choice". In > > >> Free Software, there are often choices where the community can get > > >> involved in and it makes our strength. The problem is, and is not, > > >> legal papers. Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an > > >> Iceberg. Could someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people > > >> did not do what they were supposed to do : what should they have done > > >> ? > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > > > > > I am equally agnostic of Gentoo management politics, albeit grateful > > > that people volunteer their time and effort to keep it going. From the > > > little exposure that I have had to it all it seems to me that Alan's > > > views ring depressingly true. I read Daniel's blog and cannot disagree > > > with what he suggests - it makes common sense that users views and > > > desires should determine Gentoo's direction, but I have not read > > > between the lines to see how might his proposals lead to directions > > > that I would not readily agree with. See this excerpt of his below > > > from OSNews.com in 2002: > > > > > > "I very much want to find a way to turn the Gentoo Linux project into a > > > profitable enterprise. My main motivation in wanting to do this is so I > > > can stop living from paycheck to paycheck and focus my professional > > > efforts exclusively on Gentoo Linux development. Many of our developers > > > would like to do the same thing" > > > > > > (I am not critising this statement of his; after all I would very much > > > like to find myself a sustainable way of being able to do what I like - > > > without having to spend the biggest part of my day in my current job.) > > > > > > Giving a free hand to any single person is not safe in my humble view, > > > especially if that person is employed by Microsoft - I will find hard > > > to rest assured that there will be no conflict of interest. On the > > > other hand it seems that Gentoo desperately needs *mature* leadership, > > > which can fulfill some rather significant responsibilities. From what > > > I read the current Gentoo administration and management setup does not > > > seem to be able to behave with the professionalism required to achieve > > > that. This makes me anxious for the future of Gentoo. > > > > > > Just my 2c's. > > > > I have been using Gentoo for about 4 or 5 years now. I to think Gentoo > > has well, lost its way. It seems like a bunch of teenagers is running > > it sometimes. They decide something then go back a few steps when they > > don't like the results. Proctors come to mind on that. Users seems to > > be the last thing on the higher ups mind. That is not good. > > > > I love my Gentoo but I would like to see someone step up and get some > > things done and some decisions made, even those we may never know about. > > > > I just don't want to see Gentoo fall into the abyss. > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > Although he works for Microsoft,
worked not works. > Daniel is the one who created this project and then he walked away. And don't forget his stunt last year, when he came back for 2 days and started a big fat flame war. -- [email protected] mailing list
