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U41E-03 INVITED 
TI: Sulphate Geoengineering in the UT/LS: Some Relevant Processes
AU: * Tuck, A F
EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AF: Visiting Professor, Physics Department, Imperial College London, Exhibition 
Road, London, SW7 2AZ, United Kingdom 
AU: Donaldson, D J
AF: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto, 80 St George Street, 
Toronto, ON M5S 1A1, Canada 
AU: Hitchman, M H
AF: Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, 1225 West Dayton Street, Madison, WI 
53706, United States 
AU: Richard, E C
AF: Laboratory for Atmospheres and Space Physics, University of Colorado, 
Innovation Drive, Boulder, CO 80309, United States 
AU: Tervahattu, H 
AF: Nordic Envicon Oy, Koetilantie 3, Helsinki, FIN-00790, Finland 
AU: Vaida, V 
AF: Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of Colorado, Campus 
Box 0215, Boulder, CO 80309, United States 
AU: Wilson, J C
AF: Department of Engineering, University of Denver, DU Campus, Denver, CO 
80208, United States 
AB: We consider the potential effects of meteorological dynamics, the physics 
and chemistry of aerosols and the photodissociation of sulphuric acid upon the 
posited maintenance of a 'parasol' of geoengineered sulphate aerosol in the 
lower stratosphere. Specific observational and experimental results include the 
spread of tungsten-185 from the Hardtack series of nuclear weapon tests in 
1958, satellite observations of the spread of volcanic eruptions, tracer and 
water profiles in the tropical UT/LS, the organic coating of surfactants on 
aerosols, the observed distributions of aerosols and the overtone driven 
photodissociation of sulphuric acid in the stratosphere. A few implications for 
the logistics of any possible future geoengineering injection are considered 
briefly. The uncertainties arising from the analysis subtract significantly 
from the predictability of any supposed amelioration of the effects of global 
warming from continued increases in carbon dioxide from fossil fuel combustion. 
DE: 1630 Impacts of global change (1225)
DE: 3305 Climate change and variability (1616, 1635, 3309, 4215, 4513)
DE: 6309 Decision making under uncertainty
SC: Union [U]
MN: 2008 Fall Meeting

[Comments.  We discussed this paper last summer.  Comments are found in the 
archives.  AG]

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U41E-07
TI: The Practicality of Geoengineering
AU: * Robock, A 
EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AF: Department of Environmental Sciences, Rutgers University, 14 College Farm 
Road, New Brunswick, NJ 08901, United States 
AU: Marquardt, A 
EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AF: Department of Environmental Sciences, Rutgers University, 14 College Farm 
Road, New Brunswick, NJ 08901, United States 
AU: Kravitz, B P
EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AF: Department of Environmental Sciences, Rutgers University, 14 College Farm 
Road, New Brunswick, NJ 08901, United States 
AU: Stenchikov, G L
EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AF: Department of Environmental Sciences, Rutgers University, 14 College Farm 
Road, New Brunswick, NJ 08901, United States 
AB: Injecting sulfate aerosol precursors into the stratosphere to produce an 
artificial sulfate aerosol cloud has been suggested as a technique to 
geoengineer the climate to reduce global warming. Advocates have suggested that 
this would be easy and inexpensive, but to date there has been no detailed 
estimate of the actual costs or practicality. Here we evaluate several possible 
means of injecting the equivalent of 3-5 Tg SO2 per year into the lower Arctic 
or tropical stratosphere. We assess airplanes, balloons, artillery shells, and 
space elevators from the viewpoint of cost and possible speed of application. 
No such systems currently exist, and it would take a major manufacturing effort 
and deployment experiments to develop any of the proposed mechanisms. We 
estimate the costs of building the systems and of annual operation and 
maintenance, and evaluate the environmental impacts at the location of 
deployment and globally. 
DE: 1600 GLOBAL CHANGE
DE: 1694 Instruments and techniques
DE: 3305 Climate change and variability (1616, 1635, 3309, 4215, 4513)
DE: 3362 Stratosphere/troposphere interactions
DE: 3394 Instruments and techniques
SC: Union [U]
MN: 2008 Fall Meeting

[Comments.  Just another upbeat offering from the Red Team.  Space elevators?  
How about space aliens?   I am interested in the estimates for airplanes and 
balloons.  A recent Military Channel (yes, there is really a Military Channel) 
program on the history of the F-15 discussed the Valkyrie, a supersonic high 
altitude long range bomber capable of sustained flight at 70,000 ft and a 
ceiling of nearly 80,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-70_Valkyrie

The payloads for the Valkyrie were estimated to be in the range of 
25,000-50,000 lbs, although the only planes built were for research purposes 
before the project was canceled due the development of surface to air missiles 
that rendered it vulnerable.  Work on the prototypes was used in developing the 
SST and the Concorde.

The comment that  "No such systems currently exist, and it would take a major 
manufacturing effort and deployment experiments to develop any of the proposed 
mechanisms." is a typical Red Team response, equating space elevators with 
airplanes and balloons in order to dismiss their possible efficacy.  I agree 
that it would take a considerable effort to convert F-15s to delivery platforms 
for aerosol precursors, but it wouldn't be impossible.  Did you also know that 
there are no CCS systems currently in operation at power plants and it would 
take a major manufacturing effort and deployment experiments to develop them on 
a meaningful scale? Same for redoing the electrical grid to accmdate wind 
turbines and solar concentrators.   I also think that artillery shells are out. 
 AG]

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 U41E-05
TI: Stratospheric Aerosol Injection for Geoengineering Purposes
AU: * Turco, R P
EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AF: University of California, Los Angeles, Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences 405 
Hilgard Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1565, United States 
AU: Yu, F 
EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AF: State University of New York, Albany, Atmospheric Sciences Research Center 
251 Fuller Road, Albany, NY 12203, United States 
AB: A number of studies have focused on the large-scale aspects of massive 
stratospheric aerosol injections for the purpose of modifying global climate to 
counterbalance current and future greenhouse warming effects. However, no 
descriptions of actual injection schemes have been presented at any level of 
detail; it is generally assumed that the procedure would be straightforward. 
Approaches mentioned include direct injection of dispersed microparticles of 
sulfates or other mineral particles, or the emission of precursor vapors, such 
as sulfur dioxide or hydrogen sulfide, that lead to particle formation. Using 
earlier aircraft plume research as a guide, we investigate the fate of injected 
aerosols/precursors from a stratospheric platform in terms of the chemical and 
microphysical evolution occurring in a mixing plume. We utilize an advanced 
microphysics model that treats nucleation, coagulation, condensation and other 
processes relevant to the injection of particulates at high altitudes, as well 
as the influence of plume dilution. The requirements of particle size and 
concentration for producing the desired engineered radiative forcing place 
significant constraints on the injection system. Here, we focus on the effects 
of early microphysical processing on the formation of a suitable aerosol layer, 
and consider strategies to overcome potential hurdles. Among the problems 
explicitly addressed are: the propensity for emitted particles to coagulate to 
sizes that are optically inefficient at solar wavelengths, accelerated 
scavenging by an enhanced background aerosol layer, the evolution of size 
dispersion leading to significant infrared effects, and total mass injection 
rates implied by stratospheric residence times. We also investigate variability 
in aerosol properties owing to uncertain nucleation rates in evolving plumes. 
In the context of the microphysical simulations, we discuss infrastructure 
requirements in terms of the scale of the intervention and, hence, the overall 
feasibility of such an approach to climate change mitigation. 
DE: 0305 Aerosols and particles (0345, 4801, 4906)
DE: 0340 Middle atmosphere: composition and chemistry
DE: 1605 Abrupt/rapid climate change (4901, 8408)
DE: 3305 Climate change and variability (1616, 1635, 3309, 4215, 4513)
SC: Union [U]
MN: 2008 Fall Meeting

[Comments.  This is either the same work reported in the Royal Society paper or 
a follow on.  I am guessing that the conclusion is the same as in that paper, 
that an order of magnitude more precursor is required than based on a 100% 
conversion to the optimal sized droplets (particles are solids, these aerosols 
are made up of two liquids--water and sulfuric acid--researchers need to keep 
the dust and the liquid straight if for no other reason so as not to confuse 
the already confused media.)  

Without doing actual field tests, the true composition of the aerosol produced 
is unknown.  However, because some modeling suggests that the process won't be 
effective is not reason enough to preclude doing any field studies or further 
modeling.  I get the feeling that some of the work being done in this area is 
not just being done to elucidate the mechanisms and processes that occur, but 
to attempt to damp down any enthusiasm for funding of research beyond that done 
by the handful of modelers now at work.  After all, isn't the goal of the Red 
Team to defeat the Blue Team?  AG]




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