I'd love to see ideas given some kind of weighting, so I hope some
brave people can do this.

I think that it's worth leaving the article in question as 'greenhouse
gas remediation' as there may well be other ideas that come forward
for non-CO2 GHGs in due course.

As regards the 'blowback' effects - I was just trying to get across
the risk that OIF experiements could unleash some horrors on the
ocean, and the nutrient effects etc mentioned are the kind of thing I
was trying to highlight.  I've made changes, but please check them to
make sure I've understood correctly.

2008/12/31 Dan Whaley <[email protected]>:
> I suppose, although the abstract mentions that a 10 to 20 fold  theoretical
> improvement in efficiency would be needed to even get the proposal within
> rational reach of consideration.
>
> There should probably be a grouping in these wikis between the ideas which
> have received some serious consideration over time versus the offhand
> proposals which even the propsers see as farfetched.  To the uninitiated, it
> appears that all these concepts are approximately equivalent.
>
> Also-- "blowback" effects from N2O?  Strange use of language.  Any rational
> methodology simply deducts the radiative forcing of N2O produced from the
> CO2 sequestered and only claims the conservatively calculated net benefit.
> Most models in the southern ocean put that at considerably less than 10%.  I
> wouldn't say that's one of the things that makes OIF 'controversial'...
> it's a factor for sure-- but so is accounting for all CO2 produced by the
> consumption of fossil fuels involved in carrying out the experiment itself.
> The effects on deep ocean oxygen and acidity, or downstream nutrient
> depletion would probably be better topics of debate.
>
> d
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> There's a proposal on the wiki for CFC destruction using lasers.  I
>> thought it worthy of inclusion.  There are probably other techniques
>> I'm not aware of.
>>
>> details at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_remediation#CFC_Photochemistry
>>
>> A
>>
>> 2008/12/31 Dan Whaley <[email protected]>:
>> > I understand the intent to include all greenhouse gases, but the reality
>> > is
>> > that while there is a history of emissions control for many gases, there
>> > is
>> > really no established history for the active *removal* of all gases.
>> >  The
>> > simple fact is that unless I am forgetting something I know of zero
>> > proposals to  enable the direct atmospheric removal of anything other
>> > than
>> > CO2.
>> >
>> > Are there biologic processes for instance that demand atmospheric N2O or
>> > atmospheric CH4 instead of CO2?  Perhaps, but none that I am aware of
>> > proposed by humans for mitigation purposes.
>> >
>> > I think Atmospheric Carbon Removal is the closest thing we here have
>> > come up
>> > with that accurately identifies the category.
>> >
>> > It distinguishes it from CCS (i.e. flue-gas capture and sequestration)
>> > at
>> > focuses it specifically on OIF, Lackner trees, and some of David's
>> > concepts.  Accelerated weathering perhaps.
>> >
>> > D
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Mike MacCracken <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Andrew--While I have not yet had time to check out your efforts
>> >> and
>> >> offer thoughts on editing, some ideas for the next effort.
>> >>
>> >> So that you are not just covering the removal of CO2, I would think
>> >> something like "Atmospheric composition management" of "Active
>> >> management
>> >> of
>> >> atmospheric composition" would be best--you might even have it be a
>> >> subheading for "Atmospheric composition" and then have links from
>> >> geoengineering-related entries. In addition to the removal ideas for
>> >> CO2,
>> >> you could cover any that arise for methane, and even go back to the
>> >> ones
>> >> proposed for CFCs that included lasers to decompose them, with the
>> >> laser
>> >> beam bounced back and forth between mirrors on mountaintops to get a
>> >> sufficiently long pathlength to give high probability of striking a
>> >> molecule.
>> >>
>> >> And, of course, one would want to somehow link this in to mitigation of
>> >> GHGs--which would be said to do at the source. And you would need to
>> >> link
>> >> to
>> >> ideas about reforestation/afforestation.
>> >>
>> >> Mike MacCracken
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/30/08 9:35 PM, "Andrew Lockley" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I am planning to start a new wiki on the various techniques such as
>> >> > fake plastic trees, biochar etc, designed to remove GHGs from the
>> >> > atmosphere.
>> >> >
>> >> > To avoid the naming dramas,  I suggest the following, but would
>> >> > invite
>> >> > new/better suggestions:
>> >> >
>> >> > Carbon Dioxide removal?  (too specific)
>> >> > Greenhouse gas removal?  (too geeky?)
>> >> > Gas Geoengineering? (will anyone know what it means)
>> >> >
>> >> > A
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>

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