For better or worse, the term is now in general use in scientific,
industrial, environmental and general media.  (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_climate_change for refs.)

I don't agree with Tom about 'to infinity and beyond'.  I run as a
hobby, and I've never run to infinity (or beyond).  I think most
people realise that runaway doesn't mean run-for-ever.

However, a general definition would be very useful.

A

2009/2/2  <[email protected]>:
> Dear All,
>
> I've said this before, but here goes again.
>
> If one sticks to dictionary definitions of words (which I
> think is wise) then there is no such thing as "runaway"
> climate change. Strictly, using the words of Buzz Lightyear,
> "runaway" must mean "to infinity and beyond".
>
> Further, the word "runaway" is loaded and should be eschewed
> in the climate context.
>
> The confusion here is that what some people are calling
> "runaway" climate change is really better referred to as
> "irreversible" climate change. For instance, the sudden release
> of a large amount of CH4 would possibly cause large warming
> that would put the globe in a new state that was much warmer
> than present. But the climate (or global-mean temperature) would
> *not* runaway -- it would eventually stabilize. Even this change
> would not strictly be irreversible, as the excess CH4 would
> slowly be oxidized (more slowly than today because of the well
> known positive feedback of CH4 on its own lifetime due to OH loss),
> but a lot of the excess CH4 would slowly disappear and be replaced
> by CO2 that has less forcing. This CO2 would, of course, stay
> around for a long time.
>
> If anyone is interested, this case can easily be run with MAGICC,
> but some minor tweaks are needed to get the CH4 to CO2 flux right.
> Conceptually trivial.
>
> So, please, please try not to cry wolf with these loaded and sadly
> oft-misused words.
>
> Tom.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>>
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> 1.  I think the concept of runaway climate change is kosher.  See this
>> quote
>> from
>> http://www.meridian.org.uk/_PDFs/FeedbackDynamics.pdf
>>
>> "The possibility of a tipping point in the earth system as a whole which
>> prevents the recovery of stable equilibrium and leads to a process of
>> runaway climate change, is now the critical research agenday, requiring
>> the
>> concerntration of global resources in a "Manhattan Project" style
>> engagement.  All other work on impact assessment, mitigation and
>> adaptration
>> depends on the outcome of thie overarching issue"
>>
>> I would prefer to have "runaway global warming", because that's what we
>> are
>> really talking about, but "climate change" is almost interchangeable with
>> "global warming" these days.
>>
>> 2.  The domino effect is mentioned here:
>>  http://researchpages.net/ESMG/people/tim-lenton/tipping-points/
>>
>> The release of methane is likely to be triggered by the loss of Arctic sea
>> ice, according to David Lawrence:
>> http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2008/permafrost.jsp
>>
>> 3.  I believe it is generally accepted that the Arctic sea ice albedo
>> effect
>> contributes to the accelerated warming trend in the Arctic region.  It is
>> also accepted that this effect presents a strong positive feedback on the
>> local warming, but currently presents only a weak positive feedback on
>> global warming.  Thus if the local warming can be halted, and methane
>> release domino effect thereby avoided, then we can avoid passing a point
>> of
>> no return, or going "over the waterfall" as you put it.
>>
>> I'd be interested to know if Prof John Shepherd agrees with this
>> assessment.
>>
>> 4.  Additional point - only albedo (shortwave radiation) geoengineering
>> has
>> any chance to halt the local warming in the Arctic.
>>
>> Again I'd be interested to know whether Prof Shepherd agrees with this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Lockley" <[email protected]>
>> To: "geoengineering" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:33 PM
>> Subject: [geo] runaway climate change
>>
>>
>> I'm working on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_climate_change
>>
>> and there are a few crucial questions I could do with help on:
>>
>> 1) Is the term 'Runaway climate change' seen as kosher, or is it
>> purely a pop-science concept?
>> 2) How widespread is support for the idea of an ice-albedo followed by
>> a clathrate/permafrost domino effect?  Is it speculative or accepted?
>> 3) Is there consensus on 2) above as regards timing?  All the sound
>> evidence I've read says we've already fallen over the waterfall. Do
>> others agree?
>>
>> If you have any general thoughts on the matter, or notable people and
>> sources you'd care to inform me of, then please email back
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>> >>
>
>

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