Yes, large amounts of methane suddenly released from hydrates or from 
overturning stratified lakes could be explosive if somehow mixed with the right 
amount of air.  I was referring to the slow release of CH4 from tundra and 
small shallow lakes.  Slow in terms of reaching the lower explosive limit, but 
nonetheless alarming in its potential climate effects.

Speaking of which, I would like to see the debate on this group go back to more 
discussion of the albedo modifying methods and other ideas for trying to stop 
arctic ice lost and accelerated warming. I appreciate some of the discussions 
that the CROPS paper has generated, but I think I will take a bit of a rest 
posting, at least until the next papers are published on biomass sequestration. 
 The arctic situation is looking desperate; it should be the first priority of 
the geoengineering community.   


  = Stuart =

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
On Behalf Of Alvia Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:17 PM
To: [email protected]; geoengineering
Subject: [geo] Re: Focus of Geo-engineering?


You think drowning  is a less emotional term than dumping?  How about the 
tried and true vanilla mitigation term "carbon sequestration?"  The tree 
disposal idea is an old one, dating back to the 80's.  It may have 
originated with Wallace Broecker.  I don't remember.  Whatever you decide to 
call it, if it were ever to reach the stage of field trials, it would be 
called dumping or disposal by the media and environmental groups.  Also, 
just like in the case of the crop residue removal, too many "crops" of trees 
grown on the same soil without any replacement of nutrients and the trees 
won't grow.

There is a theory, largely dismissed by the scientific community, of 
firestorms in the past, caused by methane gas eruptions from sea sediments. 
A localized pocket of methane gas could be ignited, but in general the 
methane produced from submerged trees wouldn't pose any threat as very 
little methane would likely be produced if the trees were sunk deep enough 
and in cold enough water.  If you want to get the public and the 
policymakers to pay attention, using vague complex terms to describe 
outcomes isn't the way to do it.  I called it "catastrophic methane hydrate 
release," because the result would be catastrophic if large enough and 
longlasting enough.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sam Carana" <[email protected]>
To: "geoengineering" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: [geo] Focus of Geo-engineering?




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