-----Message d'origine----- De : f.m.maugis [mailto:[email protected]] Envoyé : mardi 2 juin 2009 21:54 À : '[email protected]' Objet : RE: [geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season
Dear friends of Geoengineering, I am sorry, it is not exact to say that "cyclones move heat". Cyclones cool the atmosphere. That means that cyclones transfer heat to upper atmosphere. Of course you know that our planet is surrounded with a very cold space ! As far as a great quantity of hot air coming from the surface of the Earth (sea or continents)is transfered in the upper atmosphere where it is cooled, Cyclones probably destroy a great quantity of additional heat of our planet. The recent accident of a French plane, probably frozen by the atmospheric movement above equator is an example and prove probably that such atmospheric movement is increasing. That is probably the reason why the pilot was not prepared to such powerfull phenomenon. François MAUGIS - President of Energie Environnement 7 route de Fontaine 60300 MONTLOGNON (France) Call: + 33 6 27 12 69 14. ============================================================================ ================================== -----Message d'origine----- De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Margaret Leinen Envoyé : mardi 2 juin 2009 19:39 À : Alvia Gaskill; f.m.maugis; [email protected] Objet : [geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season Alvia, You are correct that hurricanes and tropical cyclones move heat. It was not clear from your answer whether you were saying that you doubted that they mattered much for heat dissipation on a global scale or whether you were saying that you doubted that they mattered much for heat transport. They are actually an important mechanism for the latter. Estimates based on observations incorporated into models suggested that ocean heating induced by topical cyclones could be as much as 1.4 (± 0.7) × 10^^15 W for a single year (Emanuel, 2001), a significant fraction of the observed peak poleward heat flux and enough to require consideration in the climate system. More recent modeling by Hu and Meehl (Gerry may be on this list and is far more authoritative on this topic than am I) (2009) also suggests that hurricanes can strengthen the meriodional overturning circulation and may play an important role in the climate system. Margaret On 6/2/09 1:12 PM, "Alvia Gaskill" <[email protected]> wrote: > As the article indicates, what hurricanes do is move heat around, not > dissipate it. Whether this actually cools the planet is unknown. > Given the relatively small number of all tropical cyclones and their > short lifetimes of around a week or so, I doubt they matter very much > on a global scale. Another theory has them increasing atmospheric CO2 > by stirring up surface waters, although they may also reduce it by upwelling nutrients causing phytoplankton > blooms. Global warming didn't stop because of all the storms in 2005 (the > year of Katrina) and it didn't get worse in the subsequent years due to fewer > storms. > > http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/01/29/hurricane-climate-02.html > > Hurricanes' Climate Footprint Felt for Months Michael Reilly, > Discovery News > > Jan. 29, 2009 -- Just as a changing climate shapes the strength and > frequency of hurricanes, the storms may have a huge effect on climate, > leaving "footprints" in the atmosphere and ocean. > > Watch a video on hurricane-prone coastlines. > > Hurricanes are infamous as harbingers of chaos -- flooding cities, > ripping houses to shreds, destroying beaches and even whole islands. > And concerns are growing that human-induced climate change may lead to > stronger storms whose intensity will wreak even more havoc on coastal communities around the world. > > But the full interplay between hurricanes and climate remains an enigma. > > Robert Hart of Florida State University analyzed two decades of > climate data from the tropics, and found that each storm leaves a wake > of anomalously cool water and warm air behind it that can persist > anywhere from one to two months, depending on the storm's strength. > > Scientists have known for years that hurricanes cause cool ocean > waters to well up, but Hart was surprised at how long the atmosphere retained a "memory" > of each storm. > > That got him thinking: if one storm can have such a lasting impact, > what does a whole season of storms do to Earth's climate? Would there > be a difference in effect between an active hurricane season and a quiet one? > > Hart performed a series of calculations and came up with a striking > preliminary answer: hurricane seasons that spawned more storms (like > 2005, for > example) led to quieter winters in the northern hemisphere, and quiet > hurricane seasons led to winters with lots of storm activity. > > The reason, Hart speculates, is that hurricanes bring large amounts of > heat out of the tropics and toward the poles. When a season has more > storms, more heat is deposited closer to the poles and the tropics are > cooled off more, so that when winter sets in there is less temperature > difference between the poles and tropics. > > "That's what winter weather is -- movement of heat between the tropics > and the poles," Hart said. "So it's possible that hurricanes do more > than their fair share of the work during an active season, and there's > less work to be done during the winter." > > Gabriel Vecchi of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association's > Geophyscial Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Princeton, N.J., said Hart's > work gets at some of the toughest questions in meteorology today: What > are hurricanes? Do they serve a purpose? > > "It may sound like a stupid question, but I wonder what tropical cyclones' > role in the climate system is," he said. > > There are two general theories -- one which states that hurricanes are > simply the result of more potent forces, like El Nino pushing vast > amounts of heat and moisture around Earth's atmosphere. The other says > hurricanes are vital heat engines that transfer energy from the > tropics toward the poles. Through their fury, they are in fact bringing balance to the planet's climate. > > "The list of results about how they affect climate is getting longer," > Vecchi said. "This is all hinting that tropical cyclones do something profound." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: f.m.maugis > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:30 AM > Subject: RE: [geo] Just in Time for Hurricane Season > > > Why killing hurricanes, as far as they cool naturally our climate ? > > François MAUGIS > http://assee.free.fr > =============================================== > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > De : [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Alvia Gaskill > Envoyé : mardi 2 juin 2009 01:09 > À : [email protected] > Objet : [geo] Just in Time for Hurricane Season > > > I was admittedly a little drowsy when I saw the promo for this, but > it appears to be another incarnation of the ocean pipes idea or > perhaps the same one from Atmocean. One problem for would be > hurricane killers is that they seem to be appearing in places where > they shouldn't, when they shouldn't and rapidly intensifying, giving > little time to react. Thus, strategies that prevent the conditions > that drive hurricane development should probably be considered before > filling up the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic with plastic pipes. > The cloud ships, the partial desert cover and the stratospheric aerosols all could be part of the first line of defense. > > > http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15725.25 > 642.3439 > 4.3 > > NextWorld > Future Danger > TV-G > > Future Danger enters a world where robots safeguard our cities, > massive underwater heating and cooling systems break up hurricanes > before they hit land, and advanced rocket interceptors protect the > planet from asteroids that could wipe out humanity. > > Air times in the U.S.: June 7, 9pm, June 8, 12am and June 9, 4 am. > 60 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > -- Margaret Leinen, PhD. Climate Response Fund 119 S. 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