I think it would be great if someone could bring forward a paper on the 'limits of geoengineering'. John Nissen has made much play of the 'now or never' argument. I have no opinion as to whether he's right or not, and I would love to see scientists with appropriate expertise bring forward a relevant paper. A
2009/7/6 Veli Albert Kallio <[email protected]> > *Dear Alan,* > > It is not only melting of sea ice and permafrost that needs to be > highlighted. > > Today's *Temperature Legend Map *from *Foreca* shows that Ilulissat Ice > Fjord that drains 7% of Greenland ice sheet bathin on top temperatures today > between +20-25C. This is substantial heat on the glacier, the morning > temperatures shown are littel more moderate. > > Last time I saw these kind of temperatures +24C in Ellesmere Island, the > Aylers Ice Shelf collapsed on that particular week. The heat and warm water > does damage ice considerably and I expect that Greenland's temperatures are > much like the Baffin Island's once Arctic Ocean's sea ice is gone. I think > today's weather is a good indicator what shall become. > > I am increasingly concerned that tempeartures at around +24C, can't be > tamed by sulphur dioxide or other means, it just could be a magnitude or > several times more than the negative feedback induced by the geoengineering > methods. I fear the not enough scenario. > > I don't want to be devil's advocate, but weather's could rise too high and > out of control. Let's hope this peak heat stays short, but I would not be > surprised if glaciers speed up once again. > > Kind regards, > > Albert > > ------------------------------ > > > > http://weather.uk.msn.com/region.aspx?wealocations=North+America > > http://weather.uk.msn.com/region.aspx?wealocations=Greenland > > > > *Current conditions for selected World cities* > > °F<http://weather.uk.msn.com/region.aspx?&wealocations=Greenland&setunit=F#current>| > ° > C<http://weather.uk.msn.com/region.aspx?&wealocations=Greenland&setunit=C#current> > > City > > Current > > City > > Current > > Ammassalik, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:GLXX0001&q=Ammassalik,+GRL> > > [image: Light Showers] > > 9° > > > > Narsarsuaq, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:GLXX0005&q=Narsarsuaq,+GRL> > > [image: Cloudy] > > 8° > > > > Claushavn, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7918510&q=Claushavn,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 6° > > > > Nuuk, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:GLXX0003&q=Nuuk,+GRL> > > [image: Clear] > > 8° > > > > Egedesminde, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7919406&q=Egedesminde,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 6° > > > > Prins Christian Sund, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:GLXX0006&q=Prins+Christian+Sund,+GRL> > > [image: Light Showers] > > 4° > > > > Fiskenęsset, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7918164&q=Fisken%c3%a6sset,+GRL> > > [image: Fog] > > 3° > > > > Qaanaaq, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:33287&q=Qaanaaq,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 7° > > > > Frederikshåb, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:GLXX0007&q=Frederiksh%c3%a5b,+GRL> > > [image: Fog] > > 3° > > > > Qassimiut, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7914722&q=Qassimiut,+GRL> > > [image: Fog] > > 1° > > > > Gamle Qutdligssat, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7918053&q=Gamle+Qutdligssat,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 6° > > > > Qassisalik, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7914719&q=Qassisalik,+GRL> > > [image: Cloudy] > > 8° > > > > Holsteinsborg, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7913735&q=Holsteinsborg,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 8° > > > > Sųndre Strųmfjord, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7913595&q=S%c3%b8ndre+Str%c3%b8mfjord,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 8° > > > > Julianehåb, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:GLXX0004&q=Julianeh%c3%a5b,+GRL> > > [image: Fog] > > 1° > > > > Savissivik, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7913938&q=Savissivik,+GRL> > > [image: Cloudy] > > 8° > > > > Kiatak, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7916670&q=Kiatak,+GRL> > > [image: Cloudy] > > 8° > > > > Sukkertoppen, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7916133&q=Sukkertoppen,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 10° > > > > Kraulshavn, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7916485&q=Kraulshavn,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 3° > > > > Timmiarmiut, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7913147&q=Timmiarmiut,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 5° > > > > Kullorsuaq, > GRL<http://weather.uk.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:7916411&q=Kullorsuaq,+GRL> > > [image: Not Available] > > 3° > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. 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